[net.misc] Creationism -- a skeptic[?!] snidely replies

g-rh@cca.UUCP (Richard Harter) (02/21/84)

	This is a continuation of the enlightening and amazing discussion
that Byron and I are having for the delectation of an enthralled net.
Since I haven't saved either my original article or Byron's comments
I cannot accurately reply to him.  I shall resolve the problem by
postulating a position for him and replying to that.  (This is really
no different than what most people on the net do and it eliminates
repetitious quotation.)

	First of all, for those who were surprised by the line I put
in about Archaeopteryx, I suggest that you read chapter 6 of "The
Hot-Blooded Dinosaurs" by Adrian J. Desmond.  If Desmond does not 
strike your fancy (being a sometimes debatable popularizer) I suggest
you read Ostrom's letter to Nature -- Ostrom, J.H., 1973, The ancestry
of birds.  Nature, 242, p.136.  To quote Desmond quoting Ostrom,
"'Indeed,' remarked Ostrom, 'if feather impressions had not been
preserved all Archaeopteryx specimens would have been identified
as coelurosaurian dinosaurs.'" p. 205, Desmond.  Chapter 6, entitled
"A griffin rescues evolution", discusses in Archaeopteryx in detail.
In particular, it is shown that (pp 209-211) that Archaeopteryx
was capable neither of flying or gliding.  Desmond also goes into
the contention that Aves should be classified as a subclass of
of Dinosauria.

	Kitcher (pp. 109) quotes Colbert (1980) in citing the
essentially reptilian nature of Archaeopteryx.  He claims, without
discussion, that there are good reasons why fossilized flying
forms are rare.  He does not point out that there is a rather
large gap between Archaeopteryx (mid Jurassic) and true bird
fossils, e.g. Hesperonis (late Cretaceous) which flew (and had
reptilian teeth.)  To be fair, his main thrust is to show that
Gish's treatment of the therapsid/mammal transition sequence is,
ah, less than accurate.  Nonetheless, Kitcher's treatment of
Aves is dishonest.  It simply is not known whether Archaeopteryx
is ancestral to Aves.  It is not known that the Coelurosaurians
are ancestral, although it is plausible.  It is not known when
Aves originated.  And, finally, no significant links in the
supposed transition sequence have been found.

	Kitcher's book, incidentally, is not all that great.
It has the following rather general faults:  It is biased, hostile,
and filled with rhetorical tricks.  It lacks perspective, in that
it neither gives a good overall picture of the creationist movement
nor of modern evolutionary biology.  I will grant that he does
a nice hatchet job on selected arguments; on the whole, however,
it is more heat than light.  Consider a hypothetical reader who
has a sparse knowledge of creationism and of modern evolutionary
biology.  On one hand, the reader is not given any real understanding
of the real strengths of evolutionary biology; on the other hand
he is left with a rather confused and incoherent picture of
creationism.  In short, I feel that Kitcher had too much fun
grappling in the mud with his selected opponents and did a poor
job of making his case.

	A rather more general objection that I have is that I
don't think much of him as a philosopher of science.  For example,
consider the discussion pp50-54 (Darwin's daring).  He claims that
"The heart of Darwinian evolutionary theory is a family of problem
solving strategies, related by their common employment of a particular
style of historical narrative."  He goes on to illustrate this
concept with the tenrecs in Madagascar.  Now it is all very well
to say that Darwinian scenarios have great explanatory force, but
are the explanations correct?  In point of fact, we seldom know.
The advantage of the scenarios is that they point out questions to
ask.  However, the fact that a particular sequence of events is
plausible, given our current stage of knowledge, does not mean
that it is correct or even a close approximation.

	More to the point, he does not differentiate very well
between informed speculation and solid knowledge.  For example,
the therapsid/mammal transition sequence is fairly solid in that
there is a well defined sequence of fossils with intermediate forms.
In general darwinian scenarios and population dynamics are 
informed speculation -- we don't know enough about either what
happened or about the underlying mechanisms.

	Byron quoted a number of passages from me at length
which he commented on.  To tell the truth, I found it rather
hard to see any relevance between his quotations and his comments.
Indeed I found it difficult to make much sense out of his comments.
This, no doubt, is a failing on my part.  However, I did gather
the impression that he felt that the observation that there is
a great deal that we don't know is a declaration that we shouldn't
do science.  This seems so peculiar a line of reasoning that I
feel confident that I must have missed the full subtlety of his
reasoning.  In the event that he may merely be somewhat confused
I will make the following observations.

	His first difficulty, as I see it, is that he doesn't
distinguish between different kinds of scientific knowledge.  It
is convenient to distinguish between law, current fact, and past
fact.  The distinguishing feature of scientific law is that it
is independent of time and place.  Most of physics and chemistry
has this character.  It is the thing that makes experiments
repeatable.  It is also the real reason that it makes sense to
talk about falsifiable theories.  Current fact (e.g. descriptive
astronomy, taxonomy) is a matter of observing and classifying
what currently exists.  Past fact (e.g. cosmology, evolution,
archaeology) is the attempt to reconstruct what happened in
the past.

	The reconstruction of the past is a matter of inference
from current fact and from known law.  In the nature of things
it is a rather chancy business.  To begin with, the current
evidence is likely to be incomplete.  Similarly, our knowledge
of the governing laws is also incomplete.  More subtly, the problem
is always underdetermined.  Finally, outside events must be considered.

	The latter point is frequently overlooked by people whose
training is in the law end of science.  An essential feature of
a good experiment is that one arranges things to minimize the
impact of outside events.  As a result, outside intervention has
no place in scientific law.  On the other hand, it must be taken
into account when we are attempting to reconstruct the past.  This may
take the form of giant meteors or nearby supernova exterminating
the dinosaurs, black monoliths, or even supernatural beings.  The
key point is to ignore possible outside events which, in the nature
of things, have no observable consequences.  It is not that they
couldn't have occurred -- we simply have no way to check on the
matter.  In contrast, there are outside events which are potentially
checkable but which we are not at present able to check.  Our
tendency here is to prefer those which fit in most conveniently
with our current reconstruction.  For example, the case for abiogenesis
is more convenient than compelling.  

	Then there are situations where there is some evidence
but it is incomplete.  For example, one can make a respectable
case that there the human mind is qualitatively unique and that
this uniqueness is relatively recent, say 50 to 100 thousand years
ago.  (The case is scarcely compelling.)  If this is true then
one is strongly inclined to look for a causative event.

	Reconstruction of the past is a matter of possible pasts;
the currently favored theory is likely to be out of favor tomorrow.
For example, continental drift is now in and is thought to be
well established.  Planetary formation theory has wobbled all
over the place.  Man's family tree is rewritten every decade or
so.  It is of some importance to have a handle on what is known,
and what is merely fashionable.

	The reconstruction of the history of life has a very mixed
character.  We know that the Earth is old.  We know that there is
a genetic unity to life.  We have a paleontological record that
records a succession of species.  We also have a vast body of theory
to explain the observed facts.

	There are really three theories of evolution.  Theory I
simply says that the physical and genetic continuity of life has
not been broken.  Theory II is the current reconstruction of the
sequence of species.  Theory III is the current theory of how
species transform.  Theory II wanders quite a bit for obvious
reasons; theory III has problems which I have already discussed.
Interestingly enough, theory I (upon which everything else hangs)
has become much firmly based in the last thirty years.

	Now I conjecture that Byron feels that the (correct)
observation that theory III is not well grounded is equivalent
to a declaration that theory III is not science.  I also 
conjecture that he feels that observing various inadequacies
in theories II and III are equivalent to denying the validity
of theory I.  Finally, I conjecture that he is convinced that
entertaining the possibility of conscious outside intervention
is equivalent to accepting the literal truth of the Bible.
No doubt, I have misunderstood him completely; however I have
every confidence that he will be willing to instruct us on
by errors.

		Respectfully submitted in the tradition of the Net
			Richard Harter