[net.consumers] SS numbers etc.

ix21@sdccs6.UUCP (05/07/84)

There has been much discussion about not giving your social security
number to various companies for various reasons.  In reality it does
not matter.  When I applyed for a Citibank credit card I left that
portion blank, but the letter they sent me informing me of my credit
limit had my social security number printed on it under my name.
If a company wants your SSN they will get it.

jss@sjuvax.UUCP (Jonathan Shapiro) (05/14/84)

<Eat Me...>
Correct me if I am wrong, but it occurs to me that a credit card company may
have justification in requesting your SS number on the grounds that they
are obliged to file tax related reports on you...

Jonathan Shapiro
Haverford College...

ljdickey@watmath.UUCP (Lee Dickey) (05/15/84)

> Correct me if I am wrong, but it occurs to me that a credit card company may
> have justification in requesting your SS number on the grounds that they
> are obliged to file tax related reports on you...

You are wrong: The card issuer is not paying  *YOU*  interest, you pay them.   
The reason your bank needs your SS number is that they pay you interest
on your savings account, and they are obliged to report your income.

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tac@teldata.UUCP () (05/16/84)

, (sop to the blank line eaters--consider it a religious sacrifice)

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>>  Subject: Re:  SS numbers etc.
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>>  <Eat Me...>
>>  Correct me if I am wrong, but it occurs to me that a credit card company may
>>  have justification in requesting your SS number on the grounds that they
>>  are obliged to file tax related reports on you...
>>  
>>  Jonathan Shapiro
>>  Haverford College...
>>  
If the gas companies are filing anything about you in particular with the
IRS they are violating your rights of privacy.  Incidentally, the banks 
already do that when they report on you.

	    From the Soapbox of
	    Tom Condon     {...!uw-beaver!teltone!teldata!tac}

	    A Radical A Day Keeps The Government At Bay.

wally@cornell.UUCP (05/17/84)

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The banks are not violating our privacy by reporting interest they pay on
our accounts, interest is bona-fide taxable income.  Remeber, too many
tax-payers (?) were not reporting interest income before that law was
passed.

rkp@drutx.UUCP (Pierce) (05/17/84)

>  Correct me if I am wrong, but it occurs to me that a credit card company may
>  have justification in requesting your SS number on the grounds that they
>  are obliged to file tax related reports on you...
>  
>  Jonathan Shapiro
>  Haverford College...

>> If the gas companies are filing anything about you in particular with the
>> IRS they are violating your rights of privacy.  Incidentally, the banks 
>> already do that when they report on you.

>>	    From the Soapbox of
>>	    Tom Condon     {...!uw-beaver!teltone!teldata!tac}

>>	    A Radical A Day Keeps The Government At Bay.


I would agree that you are radical.  What do you mean, the banks
already do that when they report on you?  The banks report to the
IRS the interest you paid on your gas credit card?  You really are
nuts!  Like I said to someone else, what is so private about your
social security number?  Are you afraid someone is going to steal
all the money you've paid in before you are old enough to apply for
SS?  If you're so radical, why do you even pay taxes?  Maybe you
don't.

Anyway (let me get my composure back), if you have paid $1000 in
interest to a credit company, you had better hope that the IRS
gets a report on that amount so you can deduct it.  And how are
they going to get a report unless the credit company has your SS
number.  Make's perfect non-radical sense to me.

Russ Pierce
drutx!rkp

rcd@opus.UUCP (Dick Dunn) (05/19/84)

We seem to be oscillating on this business...

>Anyway (let me get my composure back), if you have paid $1000 in
>interest to a credit company, you had better hope that the IRS
>gets a report on that amount so you can deduct it.  And how are
>they going to get a report unless the credit company has your SS
>number.  Make's perfect non-radical sense to me.

No, you don't give a damn whether they report it.  You keep your statements
and your canceled checks, which are both necessary and sufficient to prove
the interest charges you have paid.
Look, you can also deduct the sales tax you pay at the store.  Does every
store at which you shop take your SSN so they can report the tax???
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