[net.consumers] Airline Experiences

beth@umcp-cs.UUCP (Beth Katz) (11/29/84)

In response to the long article about a bad experience with Frontier
Horizons, I think that one experience should not lead someone to all
the conclusions presented at the end of the article.

First of all, I have never flown on that airline, but I have flown on a
number of small airlines (Empire, PEOPLExpress, Piedmont, Henson).
The cheapest flight does not necessarily give you the worst service.
I regularly fly Piedmont (A growing airline primarily in the South but
serving LA, Denver, and San Fran.) and would easily choose it over Eastern
when they have the same fare.  Not all small airlines are a mistake.
Sometimes the service is much better.

I almost always buy my tickets by calling around to airlines to find the
best price and then having them mailed to me.  If you call a major airline
that you know doesn't serve the place you are going, you can ask them who
does serve that place.  They will usually give you the name of several
other airlines and maybe even phone numbers.  Buying tickets with credit
cards often gives you accident insurance as well as the safety (sometimes)
if the airline goes bankrupt.

Just because one small airline was not very good does not mean all are bad.

marie@harvard.ARPA (Marie Desjardins) (11/29/84)

> I regularly fly Piedmont (A growing airline primarily in the South but
> serving LA, Denver, and San Fran.) and would easily choose it over Eastern
> when they have the same fare.  Not all small airlines are a mistake.

I fly fairly regularly between Boston (where I go to school) to
Baltimore-Washington (home).  I used to fly Delta a lot (they had a $80
round-trip deal, which was the cheapest thing around).  They had very
good service: the planes were almost always on time, no luggage
problems, etc.

I flew Piedmont ONCE.  The plane took off 1 1/2 hours late.  This is the
same 45-minute flight!  I was absolutely livid by the time we took off.
The pilot came on the PA and blamed the airport several times -- but I
had never had problems taking off from BWI (this was BWI-Logan) before
on any other airline.  Once we finally got to Logan, it was at least a
20-minute wait before the luggage came off the plane.

I had similar problems the one time I flew People (Newark-National, I
think).  They almost cancelled the flight, but so many people went up
and threatened lawsuits, etc. (there were no more flights that day) that
they finally did have the flight.

Now maybe airports treat the major lines better than the small ones, but
then to me this is a good reason to use the major lines when the price
isn't too different.

	Marie desJardins
	marie@harvard

ron@brl-tgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (12/02/84)

> 
> I fly fairly regularly between Boston (where I go to school) to
> Baltimore-Washington (home).  I used to fly Delta a lot (they had a $80
> round-trip deal, which was the cheapest thing around).  They had very
> good service: the planes were almost always on time, no luggage
> problems, etc.
> 
Unfortunately, Delta (my favorite also) scrapped the Boston to BWI flights.
You are now stuck with Eastern, Piedmont, USAir, and People's Express.
I refuse to fly USAir because they bumped me without compensation once
and their Baltimore based ramp supervisor was not very nice about it.
People's Express insists on dumping you in Newark taking an otherwise
50 minutes flight and stretching into two hours (however they are the
cheapest).

As far as being on-time, TWA is consistantly the worst at arriving on
schedule
-Ron

ecl@ahuta.UUCP (e.leeper) (12/06/84)

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> People's Express insists on dumping you in Newark taking an otherwise
> 50 minutes flight and stretching into two hours (however they are the
> cheapest).

Of course, for those of us in New Jersey, landing at Newark is a feature, not a
bug.  I *hate* having to drive to JFK (2 hrs.) for a flight that takes 1 hour
(NYC to Ottawa).  (The following experience is cadged from my review of the
World Fantasy Convention in Ottawa.  There are also flights from LaGuardia, but
that's even more inconvenient to get to.  There is nothing from Newark.)

            The first thing we learned was that in spite of the
       fact that Ottawa is the capital of Canada, it is almost
       impossible to get to.  The only direct flights from New York
       (JFK) are via Pilgrim Air.  If you want to fly a real
       airline, you have to fly to Montreal and then take Air
       Canada the rest of the way.  This costs more and takes
       longer (in theory).  However, since our flight, aboard an
       F-27 prop plane, was diverted to Montreal anyway because of
       fog, it took us 6 hours to get to Ottawa the "fast" way.
       (The airline bussed us from Montreal to Ottawa--a two hour
       trip.)
       ...
            When we got to the airport for our return flight, we
       discovered we would be sharing a plane with Donald and Elsie
       Wollheim, Peter Straub, Whitley Strieber, F. Paul Wilson,
       Joan Vinge, Jim Frenkel, Chris Claremont, Chris
       Steinbrunner, and other well-known people in the publishing
       world.  Not bad for a plane that only holds about 40.  Just
       as I was saying that if this plane went down, there would be
       a major dent in the SF/horror publishing world, Pilgrim
       Airlines announced that due to mechanical difficulties the
       flight had been cancelled!  After a lot of confusion ("What
       do we do now?"  "I don't know." "What is the loudspeaker
       saying?"  "I can't hear it!"), we got ourselves straightened
       out.  Most of us opted for re-booking on the next day's noon
       flight (the clerk said that the 7AM would be cancelled due
       to fog).  Some went through the problem of booking flights
       through Montreal, either because they were sick of Pilgrim
       Airlines, or because they needed to get back to New York
       earlier.  The rest of us cruised back to Ottawa and hung out
       at the hotel (we stayed with friends who were staying
       through until Monday anyway), then returned to the Ottawa
       Airport Monday for a remarkably uneventful flight back.

So my suggestion--stick to the majors; they have back-up planes, etc.

					Evelyn C. Leeper
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(Mail sent to my old address will be forwarded temporarily.)

mdash@sftri.UUCP (M.D.Scheer) (12/06/84)

> Unfortunately, Delta (my favorite also) scrapped the Boston to BWI flights.
> You are now stuck with Eastern, Piedmont, USAir, and People's Express.
> I refuse to fly USAir because they bumped me without compensation once
> and their Baltimore based ramp supervisor was not very nice about it.
> People's Express insists on dumping you in Newark taking an otherwise
> 50 minutes flight and stretching into two hours (however they are the
> cheapest).

Try New York Air between Boston and Washington.

ron@brl-tgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (12/09/84)

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> 
> > People's Express insists on dumping you in Newark taking an otherwise
> > 50 minutes flight and stretching into two hours (however they are the
> > cheapest).
> 
> Of course, for those of us in New Jersey, landing at Newark is a feature, not a
> bug.  I *hate* having to drive to JFK (2 hrs.) for a flight that takes 1 hour
> (NYC to Ottawa).  
I think you missed the point.  Having stops on any flight between Baltimore
and Boston is a pain in the ass.  If I wanted to stop in New York on the
way to Boston, I'd go AMTRAK.

ron@brl-tgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (12/09/84)

> > Unfortunately, Delta (my favorite also) scrapped the Boston to BWI flights.
> > You are now stuck with Eastern, Piedmont, USAir, and People's Express.
> > I refuse to fly USAir because they bumped me without compensation once
> > and their Baltimore based ramp supervisor was not very nice about it.
> > People's Express insists on dumping you in Newark taking an otherwise
> > 50 minutes flight and stretching into two hours (however they are the
> > cheapest).
> 
> Try New York Air between Boston and Washington.

It would take me two hours to drive to Washington.  I live on the other
side of Baltimore.  Besides, I think DELTA probably still works from DC.

-Ron