[net.consumers] Used Subaru advice wanted

atkins@opus.UUCP (Brian Atkins) (03/06/85)

We have decided to buy a Subaru 4X4 Wagon, something between
1980 and 1984.   What I would like is any advice on how much
I should expect to pay, and for what.  And what a dealer
considers a reasonable profit margin, and what he considers bottom
line.

There is a very nice 1981 GL model with A/C and only 39k+ miles.  
It is in very good condition, both inside and out, but they are
asking $7575.00 (after comming down from $8200.00+).  Is this
way too much, considering the VERY good condition and mileage
(especially on a Subaru in Boulder, Colo.)?

Also, there is NO warranty, unless you buy a 1 year for $500, or
two for $600.  Is this kind of warranty a sucker's bet, like
extended warranties on washers and the like? (Don't forget,
it's an '81.)

Some notes:
	1. This is Subaru wonderland, Denver/Boulder area and the Rockys
	    in general.  They are VERY popular, and 4x4 GLs as nice as this
	    one are very scarce.

	2. The dealer said they paid $6900.00 for it.  Am I right
	    in believing this is a bunch o' hooey? (Book RETAIL with
	    all the options this car has puts it at $5525.00)

	3. This is a very nice car, and I wouldn't mind paying
	    a little more for it, I just don't want to get completely
	    hosed.

Also, any techniques on bartering with used car dealers would be
greatly appreciated (yes, this is my first time).

TIA
Brian Atkins   ...{hao, allegra, ucbvax, amd}!nbires!atkins

ps. I realize he who could answer all these questions completely would
	make millions selling "how to buy.." books.  I would just like
	general impressions and advice. 

ed@mtxinu.UUCP (Ed Gould) (03/15/85)

> We have decided to buy a Subaru 4X4 Wagon, something between
> 1980 and 1984. ...
> 
> Also, there is NO warranty, unless you buy a 1 year for $500, or
> two for $600.  Is this kind of warranty a sucker's bet, like
> extended warranties on washers and the like? (Don't forget,
> it's an '81.)

I have an '81 GL 4wd myself, that had no problems at all up to
just short of 50,000 miles.  Then a bearing in the transmission
went, requiring an $800.00 rebuild.  I was glad I took the
"sucker bet" (and I still think it was one) of a 5 year,
50k mile warranty on the new car for $300.  This should be
an unusual problem, though, so I wouldn't be discouraged
by it.

What *isn't* an unusual problem on that vintage of 4wd Subarus
is a problem with the DOJ boots on the front axles.  They tear
*very* easily, resulting in grease all over the engine, and
either worn and noisy bearings or a $80 repair job.

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