[net.consumers] Phone-line-grabbing junk callers

christensen@apollo.uucp (Wendy Christensen) (11/04/85)

From (Mark Rosenthal @ Adaptive Optics Assoc., Cambridge, Mass. USA)
> These machines are especially obnoxious since they refuse to release your
> phone line until they are done with you...

This practice is not only obnoxious, but also potentially dangerous. One night,
I got such a "junk" call during my Girl Scout meeting. The recorded caller
did not relinquish my phone line for over six minutes. (I timed it.) I had
nineteen kids in the house. What if I had to call the paramedics or the fire
department? Six minutes can be a LONG time in an emergency.

w. christensen

ran@ho95e.UUCP (RANeinast) (11/06/85)

> From (Mark Rosenthal @ Adaptive Optics Assoc., Cambridge, Mass. USA)
> > These machines are especially obnoxious since they refuse to release your
> > phone line until they are done with you...
> 
> This practice is not only obnoxious, but also potentially dangerous. One night,
> I got such a "junk" call during my Girl Scout meeting. The recorded caller
> did not relinquish my phone line for over six minutes. (I timed it.) I had
> nineteen kids in the house. What if I had to call the paramedics or the fire
> department? Six minutes can be a LONG time in an emergency.
> 
> w. christensen

As far as I know, this is NOT true.

When you as the called party hangs up, the local switch
does a timeout (for around 20 seconds) before releasing
the line.  This is to allow you to hang-up, run to another,
more convenient phone, and continue the conversation.
The line is not held beyond that 20 seconds, though,
and there's nothing the calling party can do to continue
to hold the line.  This is a *feature* of your telephone service.
(There's nothing like this for the calling party, when they
hang-up, they're gone).

I suspect what happened to you was you hung up, then picked
up the phone to see if they were still there (yes, 20 seconds
hadn't elapsed yet), then tried again (still there, clock
got reset), etc.

I realize that there is some ambiguity in the above postings.
The non-release has nothing to do with the the bastard
dialers re-dialing as soon as it detects your hanging-up.
This technique really can tie up your phone for extended periods.
I'm only addressing the actual "release" of the circuit.

I learned the above in some telephone course I took, but
can't find the source right now.  Sorry.

-- 

". . . and shun the frumious Bandersnatch."
Robert Neinast (ihnp4!ho95c!ran)
AT&T-Bell Labs

gnome@olivee.UUCP (Gary Traveis) (11/07/85)

> From (Mark Rosenthal @ Adaptive Optics Assoc., Cambridge, Mass. USA)
> > These machines are especially obnoxious since they refuse to release your
> > phone line until they are done with you...
> 
> This practice is not only obnoxious, but also potentially dangerous. One night,
> I got such a "junk" call during my Girl Scout meeting. The recorded caller
> did not relinquish my phone line for over six minutes. (I timed it.) I had
> nineteen kids in the house. What if I had to call the paramedics or the fire
> department? Six minutes can be a LONG time in an emergency.
> 
> w. christensen

If you live in an area that has relatively modern central-office equipment,
all you have to do is leave your phone on the hook for over 15 seconds and
the calling party will get disconnected from your line.

This applies to all CO's other than step-by-step, which are very old and
cannot accept Touch-Tone phones (one way of telling).  The other way
of telling is to call a friend and have 'em hang up for 15-18 seconds.

None the less, those machines do suck.

Gary

msc@saber.UUCP (Mark Callow) (11/08/85)

> If you live in an area that has relatively modern central-office equipment,
> all you have to do is leave your phone on the hook for over 15 seconds and
> the calling party will get disconnected from your line.
Not true.  My phone is on an ESS of some kind.  I know because I was
put on this switch to get international direct dialling and also got
custom calling features as a result.  I've had these machines call
twice and not release the phone.
-- 
From the TARDIS of Mark Callow
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