[net.misc] Creationism, then more...

ward@hao.UUCP (Mike Ward) (03/24/84)

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All this discussion about state mandated science (laws about what is
and is not science) leads me to beleive that its time to resurrect something
that the state of (I think) Arkansas tried a few years ago:

Lets make a law that PI is equal to 3


Its so much neater, and who do those elitist pigs think they are, anyway
making it a number that can't even be written, ever.

amigo2@ihuxq.UUCP (John Hobson) (03/26/84)

Mike Ward suggests:

>>	All this discussion about state mandated science (laws about
>>	what is and is not science) leads me to beleive that its
>>	time to resurrect something that the state of (I think)
>>	Arkansas tried a few years ago: 
>>
>>	Lets make a law that PI is equal to 3
>>
>>	Its so much neater, and who do those elitist pigs think they
>>	are, anyway making it a number that can't even be written, ever.

The reason that this law was suggested (I think that it was in
Tennessee, Martin Gardner mentions it in "Fads and Fallacies in the
Name of Science") was that a lawmaker said that since the Bible
states that the "great sea" in the Temple in Jerusalem was 10 cubits
across and 30 cubits in circumference, then since the Bible is
inerrant, pi is equal to three.

This is a perfect example of how some people try to squeeze science
to fit the Bible.

It should be pointed out that the error between 30 cubits and
31.45926+ cubits is less than 5%.

				John Hobson
				AT&T Bell Labs--Naperville, IL
				ihnp4!ihuxq!amigo2

hutch@shark.UUCP (Stephen Hutchison) (04/03/84)

<Cut me another splice of that pi>

The reason the Bible gives pi as equal to three is that the notational
discoveries allowing real numbers to be expressed had not been made at
the time it was recorded.

Ignorance is one thing and is excusable, but mockery out of ignorance
is quite another and is not so tolerable.

Hutch

robert@erix.UUCP (Robert Virding) (04/06/84)

>> The reason the Bible gives pi as equal to three is that the notational
>> discoveries allowing real numbers to be expressed had not been made at
>> the time it was recorded.
>>
>> Hutch

Haven't you just proved that you CAN'T use the Bible as the base for all
scientific knowledge, even about creation. As it didn't know about real
numbers, why should it be more accurate about anything else in the
sciences? :-)

			Robert Virding  @ L M Ericsson, Stockholm

hutch@shark.UUCP (Stephen Hutchison) (04/09/84)

<murph gag spit toowey . . . much better>

Uncomfortable, having words shoved into my mouth.
To elucidate.

>> The reason the Bible gives pi as equal to three is that the notational
>> discoveries allowing real numbers to be expressed had not been made at
>> the time it was recorded.
>>
>> Hutch

> Haven't you just proved that you CAN'T use the Bible as the base for all
> scientific knowledge, even about creation. As it didn't know about real
> numbers, why should it be more accurate about anything else in the
> sciences? :-)
> 
>			Robert Virding  @ L M Ericsson, Stockholm

I never claimed it could be so used.  I am not a creationist, at least
not in the currently popular mode.  However, wherever the Bible presents
a record of events, it does so in the way that an involved observer would,
and not the way that a trained scientist or totally impartial observer might.
This does not invalidate it even as a source for historical records.

Hutch

robert@erix.UUCP (Robert Virding) (04/13/84)

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To Chuck:

I never said that YOU imferred that because the bible states that Pi = 3
then Pi DOES equal 3. My comment was more in the line that it is useless and
rather stupid to use the bible as a source of *scientific* fact as you had
just shown that they were wrong.

Claiming that, because they didn't know about real rumbers their statement
about Pi is justifiable can lead to totally absurd arguments. E.g. as the
bible states nothing about relativity, or quantum mechanics or plate
tectonics, or whatever, then it is false. It also shows that using the bible
as a source of *scientifuc* truth even in cases where it does state
something is also not valid.

It was this last case which I was mainly aiming at. However I say nothing
about using the bible  in a spiritual sense, that is each persons' own
business.

			Robert Virding  @ L M Ericsson, Stockholm