[net.tv.drwho] Oddity in The War Machines

john@moncol.UUCP (John Ruschmeyer) (01/19/86)

I noticed something about The War Machines that struct me as odd. Both
Wotan and those under his spell refer to the Doctor as Doctor Who!

Am I mistaken or is the Doctor normally referred to as the Doctor (except,
of course, in the credits)?

Does anyone know if the Doctor is referred to this way in any other story?
Also, why did they do it in this story?


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cc-30@cory.BERKELEY.EDU (Sean "Yoda" Rouse) (01/21/86)

In article <609@moncol.UUCP> john@moncol.UUCP writes:
>I noticed something about The War Machines that struct me as odd. Both
>Wotan and those under his spell refer to the Doctor as Doctor Who!
>
>Am I mistaken or is the Doctor normally referred to as the Doctor (except,
>of course, in the credits)?
>

Of course, even in the credits, the Doctor is referred to as The Doctor.
When exacty did that change take place? I'm pretty sure that it was after 
Pertwee.

>Does anyone know if the Doctor is referred to this way in any other story?
>Also, why did they do it in this story?
>-- 
>Name:		John Ruschmeyer

No, in all other stories the Doctor is called the Doctor. This is the only
time he is called Doctor Who. The BBC received complaints from fans about
him being called Doctor Who. As to why, I don't know, the writer probably
sipped up.

Side note: In the movie "Doctor Who and the Daleks", the doctor is called
           Doctor Who.

			-Sean "Yoda" Rouse

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. So Newton
 invented punting"

percus@acf4.UUCP (Allon G. Percus) (01/21/86)

> Of course, even in the credits, the Doctor is referred to as The Doctor.
> When exacty did that change take place? I'm pretty sure that it was after 
> Pertwee.

The switch in the credits took place after "Logopolis."

>I noticed something about The War Machines that struct me as odd. Both
>Wotan and those under his spell refer to the Doctor as Doctor Who!
>
>Am I mistaken or is the Doctor normally referred to as the Doctor (except,
>of course, in the credits)?
>
>Does anyone know if the Doctor is referred to this way in any other story?
>Also, why did they do it in this story?

I believe that the script editor just slipped here, and forgot to
take out the "Who" in "Doctor Who."  It was, however, unintentional,
and the mistake was never repeated (aside from puns such as "Who are
you" / "The Doctor" / "Who?" / "Yes, that's right...").

> "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. So Newton
>  invented punting"

A trick quote -- does it come from "Shada" or from "The Five Doctors"? :-)

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kyrimis@tilt.FUN (Kriton Kyrimis) (01/22/86)

In article <609@moncol.UUCP> john@moncol.UUCP (John Ruschmeyer) writes:
>Does anyone know if the Doctor is referred to this way in any other story?

Not quite, but consider the following (approximate) dialogue from
"the Gunfighters":
"... and I am doctor Kaligari (sp?)"
"Doctor... who?"
"Quite right!"

It seems that although he never  introduced  himself  as  "Doctor
Who",  he  did not consider it an entirely inappropriate name for
him.

And now, for another oddity in "the War Machines".  How  did  the
Doctor have such a familiarity with England's scientific communi-
ty (being allowed  to  visit  the  Wotan  room,  staying  at  Sir
Charles'  home,  etc.)?   If  I  remember  correctly, in the UNIT
stories, nobody liked him and, if it wasn't for his UNIT  connec-
tions (which he didn't seem to have at the time of TWM), he would
have been thrown out instantly from almost anywhere.
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ins_ajpo@jhunix.UUCP (Joseph Peter Ogulin) (01/22/86)

> > Of course, even in the credits, the Doctor is referred to as The Doctor.
> > When exacty did that change take place? I'm pretty sure that it was after 
> > Pertwee.
> 
> The switch in the credits took place after "Logopolis."
> 
   "Castrovalva" was the first story to use "The Doctor" in the end credits.

> > "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. So Newton
> >  invented punting"
> 
> A trick quote -- does it come from "Shada" or from "The Five Doctors"? :-)

  This quote actually comes from "Shada."  It was used in "The Five Doctors"
to at least show Tom Baker in the special.

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nyssa@abnji.UUCP (nyssa of traken) (01/23/86)

>And now, for another oddity in "the War Machines".  How  did  the
>Doctor have such a familiarity with England's scientific communi-
>ty (being allowed  to  visit  the  Wotan  room,  staying  at  Sir
>Charles'  home,  etc.)?   If  I  remember  correctly, in the UNIT
>stories, nobody liked him and, if it wasn't for his UNIT  connec-
>tions (which he didn't seem to have at the time of TWM), he would
>have been thrown out instantly from almost anywhere.

The Doctor is usually well respected in scientific establishments
until he poo-poo's their ideas.  Remember, how else would he be 
able to drop so many names?
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"But Doctor, we're on that island!"
"Oh my word!"			who said them, what story?

rcb@rti-sel.UUCP (01/24/86)

>>> "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. So Newton
>>>  invented punting"

Actually the second part of the quote reads:

	"So Newton invented the punt"

The "punt" being the poled boat the Doctor was piloting at the time.
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jhs@hou2d.UUCP (J.SCHERER) (01/24/86)

With respect to the Doctor's name, I think there was one previous
reference.  In "Unearthly Child" (I think it was) Ian and Barbara were
talking about Susan's mysterious grandfather and Ian said,
"Who is this Doctor?  Doctor ... who?"  I thought "Aha, so THAT'S
how he got his name!"  But they dropped the subject and I never heard
it mentioned again til now (War Machines).
  John Scherer   Bell Labs

ins_bjab@jhunix.UUCP (Jessica A Browner) (01/30/86)

> >>> "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. So Newton
> >>>  invented punting"
> 
> Actually the second part of the quote reads:
> 
> 	"So Newton invented the punt"
> 

  Actually, the second part of the quote was correct the first time.