sds5044@ritcv.UUCP (02/04/86)
Sender:Steven D. Smith In the episode "The Curse of Peledon", the Doctor (Jon Pertwee) says that the TARDIS is indestructible after it falls over a cliff. Now in the episode "Frontios", the Doctor regards the disappearance of the TARDIS as it's destruction. Contradiction folks. Let's have some opinions.
percus@acf4.UUCP (02/08/86)
> In the episode "The Curse of Peledon", the Doctor (Jon Pertwee) says that the > TARDIS is indestructible after it falls over a cliff. > > Now in the episode "Frontios", the Doctor regards the disappearance of the > TARDIS as it's destruction. > > Contradiction folks. Let's have some opinions. In "The Romans," the TARDIS falls off the edge of a cliff at the very beginning, but the Doctor, companions, and TARDIS all seem to come out just fine. John Nathan-Turner has said that a key issue to which he has devoted himself is consistency. If you, believe that, I have a really nice bridge to sell you. There is no doubt that he sacrificed consistency in favor of vulnerability and uncertainty, especially during the Peter Davison times. Any knowledgable Dr. Who fan would know immediately in "Frontios" that the TARDIS can not be destroyed or mangled, but JN-T seems to overlook this entirely. By the way, I have heard rumors that, should Dr. Who continue past its 23rd season, JN-T finally plans to leave. Can anyone build up my hopes further? . ------- |-----| A. G. Percus |II II| (ARPA) percus@acf4 |II II| (NYU) percus.acf4 |II II| (UUCP) ...{allegra!ihnp4!seismo}!cmcl2!acf4!percus |II II| -------
rjg@meccts.UUCP (Robert J. Granvin) (02/09/86)
Contradictions almost appear to be a necessary part of Dr. Who. For example, someday count how many times the Loch Ness monster and the death of the Dinosaurs has been explained. As far as the TARDIS "destruction" on Frontios, I believe this was described as a TARDIS defense mechanism. The TARDIS scattered itself to prevent a destruction (forgive me if I am wrong on this episode). Actually, it has been mentioned many times that the TARDIS isn't really indestructible, it just has some very powerful defense mechanisms that made a total destruction "practically impossible". (The first view of this is in the Hartnell episode "The Edge of Destruction". It is quite obvious that the TARDIS may be destroyed, but that it simply wouldn't let it happen, and would do everything possible to prevent it.)
ks@pur-ee.UUCP (Kirk Smith) (02/10/86)
In article <5020140@acf4.UUCP> percus@acf4.UUCP writes: > >By the way, I have heard rumors that, should Dr. Who continue past >its 23rd season, JN-T finally plans to leave. Can anyone build up >my hopes further? I heard JN-T say in person that the 23rd season will be his last. I also heard him say that stories lines/scripts were already solicited and accepted "well into the future". In fact, Patrick Troughton took this statement and gave people a rough time for making so much noise about the series being discontinued after the 23rd season. Kirk Smith
doctor@ihuxb.UUCP (cjw) (02/11/86)
> By the way, I have heard rumors that, should Dr. Who continue past > its 23rd season, JN-T finally plans to leave. Can anyone build up > my hopes further? Sure can. At TARDIS 23 this past Thanksgiving, he admitted that he is leaving the show after one more year. I sort of wish he were staying two more years simply because the show would have one more person fighting to keep it on the air. Another thing I noticed was an apparent lack of enthusiasm for her part in the show from Nicola Bryant. The previous year she was all gung ho, this year she seemed to have a ho-hum attitude toward it all. Colin Baker's enthusiasm remains at an astronomical level. Clayton James Wootton AT&T Information Systems Naperville, Illinois Of course, the views in this article are mine, all mine and you probably wouldn't want them even if I offered them to you
percus@acf4.UUCP (Allon G. Percus) (02/11/86)
> Contradictions almost appear to be a necessary part of Dr. Who. For > example, someday count how many times the Loch Ness monster and the > death of the Dinosaurs has been explained. Speaking of the death of the dinosaurs, there is the issue that the word "Silurian" was entirely anachronistic (oh, but the Doctor did mention that fact in "Sea Devils." Never mind, then.). Or, try counting the number of explanations for the disappearance of Atlantis. The Programme guide claims there are three, but I believe there were even more. . ------- |-----| A. G. Percus |II II| (ARPA) percus@acf4 |II II| (NYU) percus.acf4 |II II| (UUCP) ...{allegra!ihnp4!seismo}!cmcl2!acf4!percus |II II| ------- Gallifrey backwards is "Yerfillag." And by the way, what WAS the "Corsal Nexos" which the Doctor and the Master were so worried about it "Logopolis"?
nyssa@abnji.UUCP (nyssa of traken) (02/12/86)
>> In the episode "The Curse of Peledon", the Doctor (Jon Pertwee) says that the >> TARDIS is indestructible after it falls over a cliff. >> >> Now in the episode "Frontios", the Doctor regards the disappearance of the >> TARDIS as it's destruction. >> >> Contradiction folks. Let's have some opinions. The real fan will, instead of pointing out contradictions, try to figure out ways of making the contradictions consistent in the Whoniverse. Although this can be difficult, it is more fun than poking fun at the series. In Frontios, was the TARDIS destroyed? No, it would appear to me that the Doctor, Tegan, and Turlough left safely in it. The Doctor used the excuse of the TARDIS being destroyed to confuse his enemy (warning: It's been over two years since I last saw the story.) and to explain remaining in a place he wasn't allowed. >John Nathan-Turner has said that a key issue to which he has devoted >himself is consistency. If you, believe that, I have a really nice >bridge to sell you. There is no doubt that he sacrificed consistency >in favor of vulnerability and uncertainty, especially during the >Peter Davison times. Any knowledgable Dr. Who fan would know >immediately in "Frontios" that the TARDIS can not be destroyed or >mangled, but JN-T seems to overlook this entirely. Nobody is perfect, but I dare say he has done a much much better job with consistency than Graham Williams! (I'd like to see him at a convention.) Remember, he had 17 years of history, already with all its inconsistencies, to deal with before he took over. Also remember that William Hartnell's Doctor was worried about possibility of the ship being destroyed several times. It was indestructible by "normal" methods, but abnormal events could destroy it. Remember the Titanic? >By the way, I have heard rumors that, should Dr. Who continue past >its 23rd season, JN-T finally plans to leave. Can anyone build up >my hopes further? Yes. Call 011-44-1-743-8000, ask for The Doctor Who Production Office for more details... -- James C. Armstrong, Jnr. {ihnp4,cbosgd,akgua}!abnji!nyssa "But Doctor, we're on that island!" "Oh my word!" who said them, what story?
ccastkv@gitpyr.UUCP (02/12/86)
In one of the episodes that takes place soon after Adric dies, I believe it
was "Timeflight" Nyssa and the Doctor are working on some circuit or other
and when they finish with it Nyssa tells the Doctor that he really should see
about fixing some of the other circuits that have fallen into disrepair, most
notably the temporal grace circuit that would have prevented the Cyberleader
from firing his gun inside the Tardis. If the Doctor has let this circuit break
down its quite possible that other circuits not crucial to the operation of
the Tardis have also been allowed to break down without being repaired.
--
Keith Conrad Vaglienti
Georgia Insitute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
...!{akgua,allegra,amd,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!gitpyr!ccastkv
In no way should my remarks be considered to reflect the opinions and/or
policies of the Georgia Institute of Technology nor GIT's Office of
Computing Services. Put another way, its-a not my bosses fault, monkey boy!percus@acf4.UUCP (Allon G. Percus) (02/13/86)
> ...I sort of wish [JN-T] > were staying two more years simply because the show would have one > more person fighting to keep it on the air. I think he may do more harm than good in that sense. If Barry Letts (ah yes, the good old days) were still directing, I doubt the show would ever have gone on an 18 month hiatus in the first place -- I am of the firm belief that Doctor Who was one of those chosen for axing because of the quality of the recent stories, or lack thereof. Similarly, if someone like Barry Letts directs the show in the future, I doubt there will be even a thought of cancelling it. . ------- |-----| A. G. Percus |II II| (ARPA) percus@acf4 |II II| (NYU) percus.acf4 |II II| (UUCP) ...{allegra!ihnp4!seismo}!cmcl2!acf4!percus |II II| -------
bem8435@ritcv.UUCP (really wlt4326@ritvp) (02/13/86)
The point I wish to bring up, being that I am still a bit uninformed, is that I learned that the TARDIS was more or less located extra-dimensionally, that's why you can materialize it in a small room, and why everybody looks around completely baffeled when they first step in it. Why, then, is it batted all over the place if it runs into a meteor storm or is shot at? All that exists on the material dimension would be the police box, not the entire ship. I have also heard that it does not have to be fully materialized to stay in one place; it's there, but only in another dimension. Please elucidate. Another little thing I want to bring up (and it's probably been brought up before) is that when something "goes wrong" with the TARDIS (almost every episode), it tilts crazily and everybody hangs to the console for dear life (don't you just love how they do that!). If it is going through the Vortex, or even just flying through space, there wouldn't be a shift in gravity because of the ship's own artificial gravity which would keep people on the floor just fine if the ship turned upside down (if there was an upside-down in space!). The same with StarTrek; when the Enterprise gets hit, everything shakes around. Sure, the ship would shake relative to the "enemy", but the source of gravity is in the ship itself! I guess I shouldn't be too hard on these 2 dimensional script-writers. How convincing would it be if the TARDIS was careening towards some unknown time zone (like pacific standard) and Colin Baker just stood around going "Oh dear, oh dear, where are we going now?!?" "Oh, you're always complainin'!" Bill "Power-Chord" Trainor "You can't possibly exist, so go away!" Who said it and when?
percus@acf4.UUCP (Allon G. Percus) (02/14/86)
> In one of the episodes that takes place soon after Adric dies, I believe it > was "Timeflight" Nyssa and the Doctor are working on some circuit or other > and when they finish with it Nyssa tells the Doctor that he really should see > about fixing some of the other circuits that have fallen into disrepair, most > notably the temporal grace circuit that would have prevented the Cyberleader > from firing his gun inside the Tardis. Actually, the episode was "Arc of Infinity," and the part to which you refer was one of the only good scenes Nyssa ever had (I don't want to start a Nyssa argument again. However, if someone else starts it, I'll be very glad :-) ). . ------- |-----| A. G. Percus |II II| (ARPA) percus@acf4 |II II| (NYU) percus.acf4 |II II| (UUCP) ...{allegra!ihnp4!seismo}!cmcl2!acf4!percus |II II| -------