mannie@msdc.UUCP (Mannie Lowe) (02/28/86)
Here are my predictions of who will be chosen by the NCAA Selection
Committee to play in the 1986 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament
(how's that for a nice long title).
(NOTE: Records are as of Tuesday, Feb 25 and come from USAToday of the 26th.
I apologize for getting a couple of teams out of there conference order)
1. Duke 27-2 ACC 33. Cleveland St 23-3 MidCont
2. N. Carolina 25-3 ACC 34. N.C. A&T 19-7 MEAC
3. Georgia Tech 21-4 ACC 35. Xavier 22-4 Midwestern
4. Virginia 21-4 ACC 36. Bradley 28-1 Mo Valley
5. N.C. State 18-9 ACC 37. Tulsa 19-8 Mo Valley
6. St. Josephs 22-5 Atl10 38. Akron 20-7 Ohio Val
7. W. Virginia 20-9 Atl10 39. Mid Tenn St 20-9 Ohio Val
8. Temple 23-4 Atl10 40. Nevada-LasVegas 27-3 PCAA
9. Syracuse 22-3 BEast 41. Arizona 20-7 Pac10
10. St. Johns 25-4 BEast 42. Washington 17-9 Pac10
11. Georgetown 20-6 BEast 43. Tenn-Chattanooga 19-8 Southern
12. Kansas 27-3 Big8 44. Marshall 19-10 Southern
13. Oklahoma 23-6 Big8 45. McNeese St 18-8 Southland
14. Montana 19-8 BigSky 46. Kentucky 24-3 SEC
15. N. Arizona 18-7 BigSky 47. Alabama 19-6 SEC
16. Michigan 23-4 Big10 48. L.S.U. 21-8 SEC
17. Indiana 18-6 Big10 49. Auburn 17-9 SEC
18. Purdue 21-7 Big10 50. T.C.U. 20-5 SWC
19. Michigan St 18-6 Big10 51. Texas 17-9 SWC
20. Navy 23-4 Colonial 52. Southern 18-6 Southwstrn
21. Richmond 22-4 Colonial 53. Old Dominion 21-6 SunBelt
22. Drexel 16-11 EastCst 54. W. Kentucky 21-6 SunBelt
23. F.Dickenson 17-7 ECACMet 55. Ala-Birmingham 22-9 SunBelt
24. Northeastern 21-4 ECACNAtl 56. Villanova 19-12 BEast
25. Canisius 19-7 ECACNAtl 57. Arkansas-L.R. 19-10 TAAC
26. Cornell 14-10 Ivy 58. Pepperdine 22-4 WAC
27. Memphis St 24-3 Metro 59. Texas-El Paso 22-5 WAC
28. Louisville 22-7 Metro 60. Notre Dame 19-5 Ind.
29. Virginia Tech 21-7 Metro 61. Chicago St 21-6 Ind.
30. Fairfield 21-6 MetAtl 62. Utah 18-8 WAC
31. Miami, Ohio 21-5 MidAmer 63. Pan American 19-7 Ind.
32. Ohio Univ 19-6 MidAmer 64. E Washington 19-8 Ind.
On the Fence
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Maryland (15-12 ACC); Clemson (17-11 ACC); Pittsburgh (15-11 BEast);
Iowa St (17-8 Big8); Missouri (19-12 Big8); Illinois (18-8 Big8);
Iowa (18-9 Big10); Cal-Irvine (15-10 PCAA); New Mexico St (16-9 PCAA);
Davidson (17-10 Southern); Florida (14-11 SEC); Georgia (14-11 SEC);
Texas A&M (16-10 SWC); SMU (16-9 SWC); Loyola Marymount (17-8 WCAC);
Marquette (16-8 Ind); New Orleans (16-8 Ind); Wyoming (17-9 WAC);
N.E. Louisiana (17-9 Southland); Jacksonville (18-9 SunBelt)
Number one seeds (I really selected them before Dick Vitale did)
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East - North Carolina Southeast - Duke
Mid West - Kansas West - Georgia Tech
I really hope that I picked at least 80% (51 teams) correctly. Let us know
what you think about it.
Just for argument sake, here are the number of teams selected from each
conference. The number in parenthesis is the number of teams on the fence.
ACC 5 (2) PCAA 1 (2)
BEast 4 (1) Southld 1 (1)
Big 10 4 (2) WCAC 1 (1)
SEC 4 (2) ECAC Met 1 (0)
Ind 4 (2) Ivy 1 (0)
Sun Belt 3 (1) Met Atl 1 (0)
Atl 10 3 (0) Mid Cont 1 (0)
Metro 3 (0) MEAC 1 (0)
Big 8 2 (2) Midwestern 1 (0)
SWC 2 (2) Southwstrn 1 (0)
Southern 2 (1) TAAC 1 (0)
WAC 2 (1) EastCst 1 (0)
Big Sky 2 (0)
Colonial 2 (0)
ECACNAtl 2 (0)
MidAmer 2 (0)
Mo Val 2 (0)
Ohio Val 2 (0)
Pac 10 2 (0)
So there you have it. What do y'all think??
Mannie Lowe
Medical Systems Development Corp
{gatech,ihnp4,mcnc,akgua}!msdc!manniewiso@ihwpt.UUCP (Jack Wisowaty) (02/28/86)
> Here are my predictions of who will be chosen by the NCAA Selection > Committee to play in the 1986 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament > (how's that for a nice long title). > > (NOTE: Records are as of Tuesday, Feb 25 and come from USAToday of the 26th. > I apologize for getting a couple of teams out of there conference order) > > 1. Duke 27-2 ACC 33. Cleveland St 23-3 MidCont > 2. N. Carolina 25-3 ACC 34. N.C. A&T 19-7 MEAC > 3. Georgia Tech 21-4 ACC 35. Xavier 22-4 Midwstrn > 4. Virginia 21-4 ACC 36. Bradley 28-1 Mo Val > 5. N.C. State 18-9 ACC 37. Tulsa 19-8 Mo Val > 6. St. Josephs 22-5 Atl10 38. Akron 20-7 Ohio Val > 7. W. Virginia 20-9 Atl10 39. Mid Tenn St 20-9 Ohio Val > 8. Temple 23-4 Atl10 40. Nevada-LasVegas 27-3 PCAA > 9. Syracuse 22-3 BEast 41. Arizona 20-7 Pac10 > 10. St. Johns 25-4 BEast 42. Washington 17-9 Pac10 > 11. Georgetown 20-6 BEast 43. Tenn-Chattanooga 19-8 Southern > 12. Kansas 27-3 Big8 44. Marshall 19-10 Southern > 13. Oklahoma 23-6 Big8 45. McNeese St 18-8 Southlnd > 14. Montana 19-8 BigSky 46. Kentucky 24-3 SEC > 15. N. Arizona 18-7 BigSky 47. Alabama 19-6 SEC > 16. Michigan 23-4 Big10 48. L.S.U. 21-8 SEC > 17. Indiana 18-6 Big10 49. Auburn 17-9 SEC > 18. Purdue 21-7 Big10 50. T.C.U. 20-5 SWC > 19. Michigan St 18-6 Big10 51. Texas 17-9 SWC > 20. Navy 23-4 Colonial 52. Southern 18-6 Sowstrn > 21. Richmond 22-4 Colonial 53. Old Dominion 21-6 SunBelt > 22. Drexel 16-11 EastCst 54. W. Kentucky 21-6 SunBelt > 23. F.Dickenson 17-7 ECACMet 55. Ala-Birmingham 22-9 SunBelt > 24. Northeastern 21-4 ECACNAtl 56. Villanova 19-12 BEast > 25. Canisius 19-7 ECACNAtl 57. Arkansas-L.R. 19-10 TAAC > 26. Cornell 14-10 Ivy 58. Pepperdine 22-4 WAC > 27. Memphis St 24-3 Metro 59. Texas-El Paso 22-5 WAC > 28. Louisville 22-7 Metro 60. Notre Dame 19-5 Ind. > 29. Virginia Tech 21-7 Metro 61. Chicago St 21-6 Ind. > 30. Fairfield 21-6 MetAtl 62. Utah 18-8 WAC > 31. Miami, Ohio 21-5 MidAmer 63. Pan American 19-7 Ind. > 32. Ohio Univ 19-6 MidAmer 64. E Washington 19-8 Ind. > > On the Fence > ------------ > Maryland (15-12 ACC); Clemson (17-11 ACC); Pittsburgh (15-11 BEast); > Iowa St (17-8 Big8); Missouri (19-12 Big8); Illinois (18-8 Big8); > Iowa (18-9 Big10); Cal-Irvine (15-10 PCAA); New Mexico St (16-9 PCAA); > Davidson (17-10 Southern); Florida (14-11 SEC); Georgia (14-11 SEC); > Texas A&M (16-10 SWC); SMU (16-9 SWC); Loyola Marymount (17-8 WCAC); > Marquette (16-8 Ind); New Orleans (16-8 Ind); Wyoming (17-9 WAC); > N.E. Louisiana (17-9 Southland); Jacksonville (18-9 SunBelt) > > Number one seeds (I really selected them before Dick Vitale did) > ---------------- > East - North Carolina Southeast - Duke > Mid West - Kansas West - Georgia Tech > > ACC 5 (2) PCAA 1 (2) > BEast 4 (1) Southld 1 (1) > Big 10 4 (2) WCAC 1 (1) > SEC 4 (2) ECAC Met 1 (0) > Ind 4 (2) Ivy 1 (0) > Sun Belt 3 (1) Met Atl 1 (0) > Atl 10 3 (0) Mid Cont 1 (0) > Metro 3 (0) MEAC 1 (0) > Big 8 2 (2) Midwestern 1 (0) > SWC 2 (2) Southwstrn 1 (0) > Southern 2 (1) TAAC 1 (0) > WAC 2 (1) EastCst 1 (0) > Big Sky 2 (0) > Colonial 2 (0) > ECACNAtl 2 (0) > MidAmer 2 (0) > Mo Val 2 (0) > Ohio Val 2 (0) > Pac 10 2 (0) You really seem to be a torchbearer for the underdog. The NCAA committee rarely selects more than the conference champion from the various smaller conferences, and unknown independents almost never get in (just ask Loyola over the past few years). Therefore I have to question some of your selections, primarily: Northeastern (21-4) and Canisius (19-7) Tennessee-Chatt (19-8) and Marshall (19-10) Akron (20-7) and Mid-Tennessee (20-9) Montana (19-8) and N.Arizona (18-7) I think only Northeastern could possibly get a bid without winning their conference title. Chicago St. (21-6) Pan American (19-7) E.Washington (19-8) I would be absolutely amazed if any of these three get a bid. My hunch is that all of them won't even make the NIT. That opens up 6 or 7 spots that I think will be filled by (in order of my confidence in the bid): Iowa St. Illinois Maryland or Clemson (whoever does better in the ACC tournament) Marquette SMU Missouri Wyoming What do other people think? Jack Wisowaty AT&T Bell Laboratories
smithrd@gc49.UUCP (Randy D. Smith) (03/01/86)
In article <735@ihwpt.UUCP> wiso@ihwpt.UUCP (Jack Wisowaty) writes: >What do other people think? > >Jack Wisowaty >AT&T Bell Laboratories I think YOU INCLUDE TOO MUCH VERBIAGE FROM ARTICLES YOU ARE RESPONDING TOO!!!!!!!!! (See how I used my editor and deleted the 100 or so lines you couldn't seem to do without???) Okay, I've calmed down; now for what I really think: I too feel the original poster was too gracious to the "minor leagues". In particular, I think that to include some of those other schools at the expense of Maryland would be a travesty. (And you don't know just how much I "hate" Maryland and Wrongy Driesel (or whatever his name is this season) :-) One other thing REALLY bothers me about this posting, and other recent postings--was it just my imagination, or didn't the NIT become a PRESEASON tournament this year??? Didn't Duke (ugh, talk about schools you "hate") win it this year?? Isn't it going to continue as a preseason tournament?? So, LET'S DROP THIS "THEY'LL MAKE THE NIT" GARBAGE! (Please note that the use of the word "hate" in this message is intended as "dislike in a normal manner befitting a conference rival", and is not meant as the normal usage of the word. I try to teach my kids not to hate anything, except perhaps N.C.State :-) ) (And in case it's not obvious from the previous-- GGOOOOO HHHEEEEEEEEELLLS!) -- Randy D. Smith (919) 279-5312 AT&T Technologies, Guilford Center, NC ....!{ihnp4,burl}!{gc49,gc3ba}!smithrd
ins_asac@jhunix.UUCP (Stephan Alexa Cooper) (03/03/86)
In article <226@gc49.UUCP> smithrd@gc49.UUCP (Randy D. Smith) writes: > >Okay, I've calmed down; now for what I really think: >I too feel the original poster was too gracious to the "minor leagues". >In particular, I think that to include some of those other schools at >the expense of Maryland would be a travesty. (And you don't know just >how much I "hate" Maryland and Wrongy Driesel (or whatever his name is >this season) :-) I think Maryland has a good chance, although not quite as strong of an arguement as Lefty would like you to believe >One other thing REALLY bothers me about this posting, and other recent >postings--was it just my imagination, or didn't the NIT become a PRESEASON >tournament this year??? Didn't Duke (ugh, talk about schools you "hate") >win it this year?? Isn't it going to continue as a preseason tournament?? >So, LET'S DROP THIS "THEY'LL MAKE THE NIT" GARBAGE! I believe the NIT is a preseason, and will ALSO be a postseason tourney this year. For the record, to me it doesn't matter who goes, but I think the ACC is going to come away with the championship. Too bad, too cause I despise UNC, Duke, and Ga Tech. -- ----- Steve Cooper Johns Hopkins University ...!seismo!umcp-cs!jhunix!ins_asac -----
wiso@ihwpt.UUCP (Jack Wisowaty) (03/03/86)
> In article <735@ihwpt.UUCP> wiso@ihwpt.UUCP (Jack Wisowaty) writes: > >What do other people think? > > > >Jack Wisowaty > >AT&T Bell Laboratories > > I think YOU INCLUDE TOO MUCH VERBIAGE FROM ARTICLES YOU ARE RESPONDING > TOO!!!!!!!!! (See how I used my editor and deleted the 100 or so lines > you couldn't seem to do without???) > > One other thing REALLY bothers me about this posting, and other recent > postings--was it just my imagination, or didn't the NIT become a PRESEASON > tournament this year??? Didn't Duke (ugh, talk about schools you "hate") > win it this year?? Isn't it going to continue as a preseason tournament?? > So, LET'S DROP THIS "THEY'LL MAKE THE NIT" GARBAGE! > > Randy D. Smith (919) 279-5312 > AT&T Technologies, Guilford Center, NC > ....!{ihnp4,burl}!{gc49,gc3ba}!smithrd Speaking of too much verbiage, how about too much uninformed verbiage. The NIT this year (and for years to come if it remains lucrative) is holding two tournaments. The post-season tournament will have the same format that it has had in the recent past. But if the TarHeels aren't in it, it probably isn't worth talking about anyway.-) Jack Wisowaty AT&T Bell Labs
m113aw@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (Ariel Mazzarelli) (03/05/86)
>One other thing REALLY bothers me about this posting, and other recent >postings--was it just my imagination, or didn't the NIT become a PRESEASON >tournament this year??? Didn't Duke (ugh, talk about schools you "hate") >win it this year?? Isn't it going to continue as a preseason tournament?? >So, LET'S DROP THIS "THEY'LL MAKE THE NIT" GARBAGE! > > Randy D. Smith (919) 279-5312 I believe that the NIT is trying to get some prestige back by organizing a pre-season tournament (re: no NCAAs to take all the good teams) as well as a post-season tourney. But what really ticks me off about these NCAA tournament predictions is that everybody seems to be forgetting... ******** THE CAL BEARS !!!!!! ******** A team that was down to USF by three points, with five seconds to go, missed a FT and still won by one in regulation. The last time the Golden Bears won as many as 20 games (yes, I think they'll sweep the Washington schools this weekend), they finished 2nd in the Big One. The year before, they beat Jerry West and the Big O in the Final Four. Ancient history, you say? Why, in the evolutionary time scale, 26 years is no longer than the time span required to beat UCLA. At any rate, I know there's an NIT because all the talk around here is whether we play UCLA at Pauley or whether they come up here in the 1st round. Ariel Mazzarelli I wear loafers so that I don't have to ask my roommate to tie my shoelaces ----
ma3751ao@unmc.UUCP (T.V.) (03/05/86)
> 26. Cornell 14-10 Ivy 58. Pepperdine 22-4 WAC
Since when did Pepperdine join the WAC???ma3751ao@unmc.UUCP (T.V.) (03/05/86)
> > One other thing REALLY bothers me about this posting, and other recent > postings--was it just my imagination, or didn't the NIT become a PRESEASON > tournament this year??? Didn't Duke (ugh, talk about schools you "hate") > win it this year?? Isn't it going to continue as a preseason tournament?? > So, LET'S DROP THIS "THEY'LL MAKE THE NIT" GARBAGE! > NO NO NO... the NIT *added* a preseason tournament, but is still maintaining the usual post-season tourny. You may reclaim your GARBAGE! Tim
smithrd@gc49.UUCP (Randy D. Smith) (03/05/86)
In article <12171@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> m113aw@brahms.UUCP (Ariel Mazzarelli) writes: >At any rate, I know there's an NIT because all the talk around here is >whether we play UCLA at Pauley or whether they come up here in the 1st >round. > >Ariel Mazzarelli OOOPPPS! Sorry about making my own confusion so public! At least your posting explains why I hadn't heard anything about the post-season version of the NIT--all the quality teams from the West are filling up the slots, leaving the ACC (and lesser conferences) to settle for the lowly NCAAs. And in case anyone thinks I'm serious about starting an East-vs-West debate-- :-) :-) etc. I'm glad to hear the NIT will stick around; the more basketball, the better. One question, though-- WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AFTER BASKETBALL SEASON??? ARRRGGGHHHH (I despise baseball!) (Let's see: ACC tournament; NIT; NCAA; various all star games; NBA playoffs [yes, I'm that desparate]; then, -sob-, talk about the new recruits and wait for next October!) -- Randy D. Smith (919) 279-5312 AT&T Technologies, Guilford Center, NC ....!{ihnp4,burl}!{gc49,gc3ba}!smithrd
ma3751ao@unmc.UUCP (T.V.) (03/06/86)
> > I believe that the NIT is trying to get some prestige back > by organizing a pre-season tournament (re: no NCAAs to take > all the good teams) as well as a post-season tourney. This is true, and the money earned by a pre-season tournament may just allow the NIT to run a respectable, FAIR post season tournament; which has not been the case in the past. > At any rate, I know there's an NIT because all the talk around here is > whether we play UCLA at Pauley or whether they come up here in the 1st > round. If things are as they have been in the past, that is *EASY* to predict. Which one of you will draw more fans? The NIT post-season has been plagued with unfair home court advantages in order to a) make as much money as possible b) get BIG-NAME teams in the final to draw a large crowd and make even *more* money. Here at UNM, we have been to the NIT the past two years after being 2nd in the post season tourney, and accumulating 20 win seasons (NCAA?). Anyway, we have always had the first one or two games here at home because of the "PIT", where the '83 NC state miracle happened. We average at least 17000 per game. BUT, once they made their money, it was time to screw us over because Lord knows we don't want New Mexico to somehow end up in the finals. So despite records, off we go to Fresno State where we lose. But don't think Fresno was so lucky, no one wants to see *them* in the final either, so they go to UCLA's Pauley and are beaten by an eventual Finalist. Boy, things sure worked out well for the NIT commitee. In the past the NIT has ignored season records. Your best bet is either to have a big building, or a big name. My guess is if we don't make NCAA this year, a very mediocore year, we still may make NIT because of the "PIT". One more BUT... This may change because of the pre-season tournament. If it makes the NIT money, they may change their ways in post-season. Tim---------------------------------------------------------------- | BOLD PREDICTION==> UNM will take the WAC post-season tourny, and | make the NCAA tournament. | | I sure miss the good 'ol days w/ Michael Cooper, Norm Ellenburger.. etc. |