Wiseman.pa@PARC-MAXC.ARPA@uw-beaver (Wiseman.pa@PARC-MAXC.ARPA) (12/05/83)
individually Pushed segments because normal TCP stream transmission timed out. This probably indicates a problem with the receiving TCP or SMTP server. See your site's software support if you have any questions. Return-Path: <Wiseman.pa@PARC-MAXC.ARPA> Received: from PARC-MAXC.ARPA by WASHINGTON.ARPA with TCP; Sun 4 Dec 83 10:54:40-PST Date: 4 Dec 83 10:54:21 PST (Sunday) From: Wiseman.pa@PARC-MAXC.ARPA Subject: Re: new device In-reply-to: <DCB.TECH.11971998937.BABYL@MIT-OZ> To: Rich $alz <DCB.TECH%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA> cc: Brian Reid <reid@SU-GLACIER.ARPA>, laser-lovers@WASHINGTON.ARPA ReSent-date: Sun 4 Dec 83 16:37:56-PST ReSent-from: Richard Furuta <Furuta@WASHINGTON.ARPA> ReSent-to: "Laser Lovers": ; Agfa has demoed the P400 being driven by a Lisa at the Hannover Faire, however, the system required a VAX mini inbetween. Compugraphic (which is owned by Agfa) is already marketing the Personal Composition System with Lisa directy driving an 8400 CRT-based phototypsetter. But the only images that can be produced on Lisa can be output (2 pgs/min). Therefore none of CG's fonts are available. The company has told analysts that it will implement all the functions of its MCS-10 composition system on LISA by 1H/84. The new software would maintain the Lisa interface and "what you see is what you get" The P400 printer will probably be available by then. Right now the CG/LISA package is pretty limited. Since LISA is running flat out now on the 68000, they may have trouble driving the P400 without more hardware (i.e. the microVAX chip set recently announced). The company/product combination clearly has potential, but I think the deliverables will be weak through 84. Appreciate anything more you may hear about the products Ben Wiseman Xerox OSD 415-494-4759
Wiseman.pa@PARC-MAXC.ARPA@uw-beaver (12/05/83)
Relay-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site akgua.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 UW 5/3/83; site uw-beaver Path: akgua!clyde!floyd!harpo!decvax!tektronix!uw-beaver!Wiseman.pa@PARC-MAXC.ARPA Message-ID: <760@uw-beaver> Date: Mon, 5-Dec-83 12:14:09 EST Sender: root@uw-beave Organization: U of Washington Computer Science individually Pushed segments because normal TCP stream transmission timed out. This probably indicates a problem with the receiving TCP or SMTP server. See your site's software support if you have any questions. Return-Path: <Wiseman.pa@PARC-MAXC.ARPA> Received: from PARC-MAXC.ARPA by WASHINGTON.ARPA with TCP; Sun 4 Dec 83 10:54:40-PST Date: 4 Dec 83 10:54:21 PST (Sunday) From: Wiseman.pa@PARC-MAXC.ARPA Subject: Re: new device In-reply-to: <DCB.TECH.11971998937.BABYL@MIT-OZ> To: Rich $alz <DCB.TECH%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA> cc: Brian Reid <reid@SU-GLACIER.ARPA>, laser-lovers@WASHINGTON.ARPA ReSent-date: Sun 4 Dec 83 16:37:56-PST ReSent-from: Richard Furuta <Furuta@WASHINGTON.ARPA> ReSent-to: "Laser Lovers": ; Agfa has demoed the P400 being driven by a Lisa at the Hannover Faire, however, the system required a VAX mini inbetween. Compugraphic (which is owned by Agfa) is already marketing the Personal Composition System with Lisa directy driving an 8400 CRT-based phototypsetter. But the only images that can be produced on Lisa can be output (2 pgs/min). Therefore none of CG's fonts are available. The company has told analysts that it will implement all the functions of its MCS-10 composition system on LISA by 1H/84. The new software would maintain the Lisa interface and "what you see is what you get" The P400 printer will probably be available by then. Right now the CG/LISA package is pretty limited. Since LISA is running flat out now on the 68000, they may have trouble driving the P400 without more hardware (i.e. the microVAX chip set recently announced). The company/product combination clearly has potential, but I think the deliverables will be weak through 84. Appreciate anything more you may hear about the products Ben Wiseman Xerox OSD 415-494-4759
laser-lovers@uw-beaver.UUCP (01/27/84)
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From: William G. Martin <WMartin@SIMTEL20.ARPA>
Subject: Cheap laser printer reported
To: Laser-Lovers@WASHINGTON.ARPA
cc: WMartin@SIMTEL20.ARPA
ReSent-date: Fri 27 Jan 84 12:26:21-PST
ReSent-from: Richard Furuta <Furuta@WASHINGTON.ARPA>
ReSent-to: "Laser Lovers": ;
The enclosed showed up on Info-Micro, so I thought I'd forward them on
to Laser-Lovers for your info.
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1) 23-Jan hplabs!hao!seismo!ut Laser Printer for
2) 24-Jan hplabs!sdcrdcf!darre Re: Laser Printer for 695 dollars
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From: hplabs!hao!seismo!ut-sally!cyb-eng!shell!starr@ucb-vax
Subject: Laser Printer for
Article-I.D.: shell.160
Normally I skip over articles about laser printers, since they
cost an arm and a leg. But this one caught my eye. Reprinted from
1/12/84 issue of Electronics Magazine:
The LBP-CX, a desktop laser printer, uses cartridges to hold
its dry single-component electrophotographic-development
system. The cartridges are easily removed so that the unit
can print in black, blue or brown. Up to 8 letter-sized
pages per minute can be printed; paper is supplied manually
or automatically from a cassette.
The electrophotographic images may be transferred to a
variety of stocks, including colored paper and
transparencies. Two preset resolution levels are offered-
240 and 300 dots/in.
With an appropriate image processor, the printer can produce
a number of styles, forms, and scientific symbols as well as
graphics. To be available in the second quarter, the laser
printer will sell for about $695, comparable to better-
quality daisy wheel printers.
Canon USA Inc., One Cannon Plaza, Lake Success, NY 11042.
Phone (516)488-6700.
$695?? That's what it said. A laser printer that costs the same
as an Epson FX-80? Wow!
This was in the "New Products" section, and that means info came
from the manufacturer. I have visions of the "up to 8 pages a
minute" translating into "2 or 3 pages at best". If anyone sees
any real output of this device, or can vouch for the manufac-
turers speed claims, I'm sure others would be interested. This
sounds like a bargain, and if it is true, I will hold onto my NEC
printer a little longer.
RF Starr
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From: hplabs!sdcrdcf!darrelj@ucb-vax
Subject: Re: Laser Printer for 695 dollars
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Note that a raster-style printer of this resolution and speed uses about
700k to 1 megabits per second, plus one ten point font requires about 10 or
15 kilobytes for the font template. Preformatting an entire page in memory
as a bitmap requires almost a megabyte of scratch space (needed only if
document hasn't been presorted in page order, a daisy-wheel simulator could
reasonably be limited to a 32Kbyte buffer to hold subscript/superscript
excursions.
--
Darrel J. Van Buer, PhD
System Development Corp.
2500 Colorado Ave
Santa Monica, CA 90406
(213)820-4111 x5449
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-------laser-lovers@uw-beaver (laser-lovers) (02/06/84)
From obrien@Rand-Unix Sun Feb 5 19:37:01 1984 individually Pushed segments because normal TCP stream transmission timed out. This probably indicates a problem with the receiving TCP or SMTP server. See your site's software support if you have any questions. Return-Path: <obrien@rand-unix> Received: from rand-unix by WASHINGTON.ARPA with TCP; Sun 5 Feb 84 15:06:09-PST Date: Sunday, 5 Feb 1984 14:53-PST To: Doug Kingston <dpk@BRL-VGR> Cc: Christopher A Kent <cak@PURDUE>, laser-lovers@WASHINGTON Subject: Re: Re: IBM 6670p? In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 31 Jan 84 20:31:20 EST. From: obrien@Rand-Unix (Michael_OBrien) ReSent-date: Sun 5 Feb 84 19:27:48-PST ReSent-from: Richard Furuta <Furuta@WASHINGTON.ARPA> ReSent-to: "Laser Lovers": ; On the other hand, let us note that we got in a 2700 to see if we could possibly flush our 6670 (we hate it too) and found that the 2700 was just so egregiously slow that we couldn't live with it. We bought another 6670. *sigh*