[net.kids] Spanking, again

colonel@gloria.UUCP (George Sicherman) (01/26/85)

> > I can only tell you what has worked for me.  I have spanked upon occasion
> > so that they know that I WILL if needed.  It is the kiss of death to SAY
> > you will and then don't.  And kids will call you!  Try (I can't always)
> 
> Right you are.  Kids want consistency.  They don't want baloney.
> Which is what we as parents are giving them if we say we're going
> to do something and then don't do it.  We're not doing them any
> favors by giving them such a bad example.  We might think we're
> being nice to them, but we're training them that they can say one
> thing and do another (and we expect them to keep *their* word,
> right?).

Which brings up the question of why parents act inconsistently toward
their kids.  Usually they're advocating one kind of conduct and
secretly favoring a different kind.

> > not to spank when angry.  Set the pace of the escalation yourself.  Spank
> > up front BEFORE you get all out of sorts with the kid.  (It's hard!)
> 
> Right again.  One thing that's important is not to get to the state
> where you're threatening the child with a spanking if they don't obey.

I'm not sure that this is important.  My young half-brother-in-law often
misbehaves.  His mother continually threatens him with beating, and
occasionally beats him.  The threats subdue him, but only briefly.
When he misbehaves with me, I sometimes get angry and hit him on the head.
He regrets it but does not seem to resent it.  In fact, he likes me very
well, perhaps because I never threaten him.

> Disobedience should be met with discipline immediately.  Why?
> Because if the child obeys only after receiving a threat, you're
> training him to obey THREATS, and not to recognize your authority.
> There's a difference.  Discipline is a method for enforcement of
> authority (yours), not a bargaining tool.  Otherwise, they'll drag
> it out longer and longer, to see how long before you break.

Right, except that "authority" is rather chimerical.  I would say instead
that the child will acknowledge your superior strength and judgment, and
(assuming you have any) your good will towards him.

	"The best brought-up children are those who have seen
	their parents as they are.  Hypocrisy is not the parent's
	first duty."			G. B. Shaw, _Man and Superman_ (1903)
-- 
Col. G. L. Sicherman
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