rjr@spuxll.UUCP (R. J. Riley) (08/03/84)
>Can anyone recommend any good books for potty training.
My daughter usually reads "THE CAT IN THE HAT" while potty training.
(Sorry about that, I just couldn't resist)
B.R.sed408@ihlpg.UUCP (s. dugan) (06/14/85)
At what age do kids usually learn to wipe themselves properly? I have a 3 1/2 year old daughter who still doesn't do an adequate job of it. She ends up with yeast infections because of not wiping properly. I try to help her as much as possible, but I can't be there all the time. I'm not sure whether it's just that she isn't coordinated enough or whether she doesn't understand what I'm asking of her. She doesn't seem to understand that "poopies" are dirty and stinky and might make her sick (and so on). Does anyone have any suggestions? -- Sarah E. Dugan "Thank God It's Friday." ########################################################################### # AT&T Bell Labs IH 1D-408 The Forest (home) # # Naperville-Wheaton Rd. 1353 Crab Apple Court Apt. 101 # # Naperville, Illinois 60566 Naperville, Illinois 60540 # # (312) 979 - 5545 (312) 355 - 0445 # ###########################################################################
mcburnet@topaz.ARPA (Roe McBurnett mcburnet@topaz.uucp) (06/17/85)
In article <631@ihlpg.UUCP> sed408@ihlpg.UUCP writes: >At what age do kids usually learn to wipe themselves properly?... >Sarah E. Dugan Our 4 year old is just learning to wipe himself properly. He had no concept of the proper procedure until 2-3 months ago and has come along very well since then. Probably best to try to be there and check them 100% until there is a good track record. That is what we did and it seemed to work.. "Wipe my bottom Daddy..." "No but I'll check you when you're done..." -- Roe McBurnett {ut-sally,astrovax}!topaz!mcburnet or Hill 521 x4273 \-> !ru-green!mcburnett
kaiser@jaws.DEC (Pete Kaiser, HLO2-1/N10 225-5441) (06/20/85)
Sarah Dugan writes:
I have a 3 1/2 year old daughter who ... doesn't seem to understand that
"poopies" are dirty and stinky....
I can't help feeling that it's a mistake to teach that "poopies" are dirty and
stinky. That kind of social condititioning is just extra baggage; it doesn't do
any good and may do some harm.
---Pete
Kaiser%JAWS.DEC@decwrl.arpa, Kaiser%BELKER.DEC@decwrl.arpa
{allegra|decvax|ihnp4|ucbvax}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-jaws!kaiser
DEC, 77 Reed Road (HLO2-1/N10), Hudson MA 01749 617/568-5441todd@SCINEWS.UUCP (Todd Jones) (06/22/85)
> At what age do kids usually learn to wipe themselves properly? I have a 3 1/2 > year old daughter who still doesn't do an adequate job of it. She ends up > with yeast infections because of not wiping properly. I try to help her as > much as possible, but I can't be there all the time. I'm not sure whether > it's just that she isn't coordinated enough or whether she doesn't understand > what I'm asking of her. She doesn't seem to understand that "poopies" are > dirty and stinky and might make her sick (and so on). Does anyone have any Although my 4 year old is male, I think similar principles apply regarding wiping. Max potty trained himself at age 3 without outside pressure. For the longest time however, his wiping habits fell short of hygenic. My wife and I decided against making a big deal out of it. Then in some developmental burst, he became very concerned about wiping properly and used a roll or two per episode. We tried to tell him to be more relaxed about it. Pretty soon his habits became more efficient and "normalized." I don't know the extent of potty training similarities between genders, but I will in a couple years when my daughter comes of age. I guess the laize-faire attitude worked pretty well for Max. Maybe your daughter will realize the importance of wiping without getting worried about it. Good luck! ||||| || || [ O-O ] Todd Jones \ ^ / {decvax,akgua}!mcnc!rti-sel!scirtp!todd | _ | |___|
ned@SCINEWS.UUCP (Ned Robie) (06/22/85)
> Sarah Dugan writes: > > I have a 3 1/2 year old daughter who ... doesn't seem to understand that > "poopies" are dirty and stinky.... > > I can't help feeling that it's a mistake to teach that "poopies" are dirty and > stinky. That kind of social condititioning is just extra baggage; it doesn't do > any good and may do some harm. > > ---Pete > > Kaiser%JAWS.DEC@decwrl.arpa, Kaiser%BELKER.DEC@decwrl.arpa > {allegra|decvax|ihnp4|ucbvax}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-jaws!kaiser > DEC, 77 Reed Road (HLO2-1/N10), Hudson MA 01749 617/568-5441 My 4 year old son pees in the toilet fine and rarely wets his bed. But he still hasn't taken to the toilet when he needs to poop. We've tried all kinds of positive reinforcement and have rejected any negative forms for obvious reasons. The doctor says to bribe him with candy... we laughed, bribing with the latest transformer robot didn't even work. So we have given up on the bribing strategy which we thought was questionable in the first place (we were desperate). Now we're just being patient. Funny thing is, for about a week we knew he was secretly doing his business in the toilet and carefully cleaning up after himself. But that didn't last too long. Before we knew it, he was back to going in his pants again (sigh). Does anyone have any suggestions? Is this a common *problem* among 4 year olds? -- Ned Robie
sed408@ihlpg.UUCP (s. dugan) (06/23/85)
> Sarah Dugan writes: > > I have a 3 1/2 year old daughter who ... doesn't seem to understand that > "poopies" are dirty and stinky.... > > I can't help feeling that it's a mistake to teach that "poopies" are dirty and > stinky. That kind of social condititioning is just extra baggage; it doesn't do > any good and may do some harm. > > ---Pete > Come on now! For heaven's sake. I'm not making a social statement. I just want my daughter to realize that if she doesn't wipe properly she will 1) smell funny 2) be uncomfortable and 3) probably make herself sick by creating a yeast infection. Being male, you probably have no idea how TOTALLY NASTY a yeast infection can be and how HARD it is to get rid of one. I think I'll run the risk of "socially conditioning" my daughter. -- Sarah E. Dugan "Why am I working on Saturday?" ########################################################################### # AT&T Bell Labs IH 1D-408 The Forest (home) # # Naperville-Wheaton Rd. 1353 Crab Apple Court Apt. 101 # # Naperville, Illinois 60566 Naperville, Illinois 60540 # # (312) 979 - 5545 (312) 355 - 0445 # ###########################################################################
essachs@ihuxl.UUCP (Ed Sachs) (06/26/85)
> My 4 year old son pees in the toilet fine and rarely wets his bed. > But he still hasn't taken to the toilet when he needs to poop. > We've tried all kinds of positive reinforcement and have rejected any > negative forms for obvious reasons. ... > > Funny thing is, for about a week we knew he was secretly doing his business > in the toilet and carefully cleaning up after himself. But that didn't last > too long. Before we knew it, he was back to going in his pants again (sigh). We had similar problems with our son (now 9) who REFUSED to have a bowel movement in the toilet. Our pediatrician suggested that discipline was appropriate, the kid has to get the idea that soiling pants is unacceptable behavior. Maybe that will work for your son, it didn't for ours. In our son's case, it was some toy he really wanted that we told him was only for "big boys," definition of a big boy was one who didn't soil his pants (for a week or something like that, and with the understanding that if he did after he got his reward, it was taken away for some period of time). Conclusion: rewards have to be something meaningful to the kid to work, its too easy to soil ones pants if one isn't in the mood for candy at the moment. -- Ed Sachs AT&T Bell Laboratories Naperville, IL ihnp4!ihuxl!essachs
rwh@aesat.UUCP (Russ Herman) (06/27/85)
Cheer up, Ned. Our 4-year-old-in-Oct. only pees in toilets too. He asks for
his diaper for bm's. We give it to him. I don't know about your kid, but
ours gets real panicky on the potty if we put him there instead of giving
him a diaper, and will hold off until we do. So we don't push him -
*eventually* he'll get around to it. I don't believe in bribes/threats at
that age, or over that sort of thing.
I've heard that this is not uncommon, and is much more prevalent in boys
than girls.
--
______ Russ Herman
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\____/ possibly myself an hour from now.)dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) (06/27/85)
> Sarah Dugan writes: > > I have a 3 1/2 year old daughter who ... doesn't seem to understand that > "poopies" are dirty and stinky.... > > I can't help feeling that it's a mistake to teach that "poopies" are dirty and > stinky. That kind of social condititioning is just extra baggage; it doesn't do > any good and may do some harm. Surely you don't mean to say that they're clean and nice-smelling? One wouldn't, for instance, use them for air fresheners... -- | Paul DuBois {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois --+-- | |
mcburnet@topaz.ARPA (Roe McBurnett mcburnet@topaz.uucp) (06/27/85)
In article <690@ihlpg.UUCP> sed408@ihlpg.UUCP (s. dugan) writes: >> Sarah Dugan writes: >> I have a 3 1/2 year old daughter who... doesn't seem to understand that >> "poopies" are dirty and stinky.... >>I can't help feeling that it's a mistake to teach that "poopies" are dirty and >>stinky. That kind of social condititioning is just extra baggage; it doesn't do >> any good and may do some harm. >> ---Pete >> >Come on now! For heaven's sake. I'm not making a social statement. I just >want my daughter to realize that if she doesn't wipe properly she will 1) >smell funny 2) be uncomfortable and 3) probably make herself sick by creating >a yeast infection...I think I'll run >the risk of "socially conditioning" my daughter. >Sarah E. Dugan In "No More Diapers" and other books on the subject of toilet learning, they make the point that to a child the bm (bowell movement) has indeed come from inside the child's body and if one states that it can cause sickness the child could conclude that there is sickness inside the child's body. They recomend that one emphasize cleaning up without relying on the dirtyness of the matter. My son (4years) is just getting to the point of wiping himself consistantly and although he does not do it perfectly he gets the job done. I always offer to check his efforts (If he wants me to!!). Progress is being made. -- Roe McBurnett {ut-sally,astrovax}!topaz!mcburnet or Hill 521 x4273 \-> !ru-green!mcburnett
steven@luke.UUCP (Steven List) (06/28/85)
In article <174@SCINEWS.UUCP> ned@SCINEWS.UUCP (Ned Robie) writes: >My 4 year old son pees in the toilet fine and rarely wets his bed. >But he still hasn't taken to the toilet when he needs to poop. > >Does anyone have any suggestions? Is this a common *problem* among 4 >year olds? I'm not sure if any of this will be helpful, but since both of ours (4 and 2) are potty trained and attending preschool I figure we must have done SOMETHING right. First, there is a book titled "Toilet Training in Less Than a Day". I looked at it, but didn't use it. I do have a friend who both used it and recommended it. He used it with his daughter with great success. The major drawback is that it requires total dedication for a day, a play area that is close to a bathroom, and preparation. The obvious upside is that it seems to work a lot of the time. As far as getting your son (who is, unfortunately, already partially trained) to move his bowels on the toilet, I think that patience and encouragement are your only options. The encouragement, however, is no small matter. Taking your son to the bathroom periodically and sitting him on the pot and suggesting that he take his time and just relax might help. Also, being alert to his visible signs of impending drop is essential. If you can tell when he's about to, or even when he's started, getting him on the toilet and whooping it up when he even FINISHES there helps. Being aware of the symptoms is probably the most useful thing. I'm not quite so good at it, but my wife is outstanding. She'd look up at one of our children, say "uh oh", jump, grab, run, strip the kid, and plop him/her down on the pot. As I said, I'm not sure that this stuff works for anyone else, but we've had great success. Our two-year-old son is attending preschool five mornings a week, and rarely has any accidents. The ones he has are due to the teachers not taking him to the bathroom periodically. Good luck. -- *** * Steven List @ Benetics Corporation, Mt. View, CA * Just part of the stock at "Uncle Bene's Farm" * {cdp,greipa,idi,oliveb,sun,tolerant}!bene!luke!steven ***
dwl10@amdahl.UUCP (Dave Lowrey) (07/01/85)
>My 4 year old son pees in the toilet fine and rarely wets his bed. >But he still hasn't taken to the toilet when he needs to poop. > >Does anyone have any suggestions? Is this a common *problem* among 4 >year olds? Our son mastered bladder controll around 3 years (I think, it's been a while). But bowel movements took untill 4 years old. The bottom line was, he finally understood how to controll himself. Once you have taught him the mechanics of going to the potty, it's up to him. Just encourage him to go whenever you can, and eventually, he'll catch on. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Lowrey "To vacillate or not to vacillate, that is the question.... ....or is it?" ...!(<sun,cbosgd,ihnp4}!amdahl!dwl10 [ The opinions expressed <may> be those of the author and not necessarily those of his most eminent employer. ]
sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) (07/09/85)
My mother used to worry because I was a late walker. When she told our
doctor about her fears, he simply told her to relax, asking her if she
knew of anybody (healthy) who hadn't eventually learned to walk.
The same comment can probably be made about the current topic. Have
you ever known anybody who didn't know how to use a washroom? (except
for medical reasons of course) Do you know of any kid who would stand
the embarrassment of going to a pyjama party in diapers?
--
Sophie Quigley
{allegra|decvax|ihnp4|linus|watmath}!utzoo!mnetor!sophieitkin@luke.UUCP (Steven List) (07/12/85)
In article <1233@mnetor.UUCP> sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) writes: >Have >you ever known anybody who didn't know how to use a washroom? (except >for medical reasons of course) Do you know of any kid who would stand >the embarrassment of going to a pyjama party in diapers? I think sophie is ignoring the motivation for this discussion. The question in my mind (and that of my wife) is when will we be FREE of diapers? Most preschools/daycare centers will not take children in diapers. It is harder to get good babysitting for a child in diapers. There is more work and expense for a baby in diapers. So it's not IF, it's WHEN. -- *** * Steven List @ Benetics Corporation, Mt. View, CA * Just part of the stock at "Uncle Bene's Farm" * {cdp,greipa,idi,oliveb,sun,tolerant}!bene!luke!itkin ***
sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) (07/14/85)
> In article <1233@mnetor.UUCP> sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) writes: > >Have > >you ever known anybody who didn't know how to use a washroom? (except > >for medical reasons of course) Do you know of any kid who would stand > >the embarrassment of going to a pyjama party in diapers? > > I think sophie is ignoring the motivation for this discussion. The > question in my mind (and that of my wife) is when will we be FREE of > diapers? Most preschools/daycare centers will not take children in > diapers. It is harder to get good babysitting for a child in diapers. > There is more work and expense for a baby in diapers. So it's not IF, > it's WHEN. > * Steven List @ Benetics Corporation, Mt. View, CA That was not my impression from the discussion, but I think your point is well taken. *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** -- Sophie Quigley {allegra|decvax|ihnp4|linus|watmath}!utzoo!mnetor!sophie