[net.astro] expansion faster than light?

ethan@utastro.UUCP (05/24/84)

[Herewith the bugkiller]

This is my last article before I leave (promise!).

Alan Silverstein writes:
>1:  Whether the universe  expanded from a point or from a small area, it
>    had  sufficent  energy  density to warp space around  itself at some
>    point in time,  right?  E.g.  the whole  universe  is inside a black
>    hole, at least from the point of view of the people  inside,  right?
>    So, what is this talk about the  universe  being open if the current
>    total mass is lower than some magic value?  Did the hole open up?

The mass density of the universe is sufficient to cause significant curvature
over the size of the observed universe.  However this is not the same as being
inside a black hole.  The topology is different.  Not all curvatures are
equal.  In particular, the expansion of the universe means that the time
direction has significant curvature associated with it.  For a a longer
explanation see N. Sharp's article in net.astro.expert.

>2:  How can the  horizon  distance  ever be larger  than the size of the
>    universe?  No matter  how fast it  expanded,  even  10^50 in a short
>    time  as  the  article   suggests,   matter  can't  go  faster  than
>    lightspeed.  Hence we should be able to see all the way to the other
>    end of the universe if it came from a single point, right?

First of all, the fact that nothing can go faster than light is a local
limitation on motion.  That is to say that nothing can rip by me at faster
than the speed of light.  The distance between two points *can* expand 
at rate such that change in distance/time interval >> speed of light.
Consider three observers, two moving in opposite directions at very
fast (close to speed of light) velocities and one who is stationary.
Each carries a clock and communicates with the other two.  They have
agreed to set up a coordinate system defined by an expanding spatial
coordinate set (such that each of them is stationary in these coordinates)
and use their clocks to define the local time.  The person in the
center says:
  "If I used my definitions of time and distance everywhere I would
   see my friends living at a slower pace (time is slowed down from
   mine) and each is receding from me at the speed of light in either
   direction.  However, I can't say this without violating our agreement
   to consider local measurements of distance definitive.  I am constrained
   to measure the difference of distance between us according to some
   smooth mapping from my definition of an inch to my friend's definition.
   This makes the distance between us longer than if we used my
   definitions throughout.  Moreover, "simultaneity" is defined as when
   our clocks read the same time.  Since either of my friend's clock
   is slow (in my coordinate system) this implies that I must bend
   my definition of time so that "simulataneous" things are things
   that happen later to them (according to my naive coordinates) than
   to me.  The total effect is that our compromise coordinate system
   has them moving away from me at faster than the speed of light."

A similar monologue could be carried on by either of the other two
observers.  
     Now, if space is flat (like a critically bound model universe) then
there is a global coordinate system in which nobody is moving "faster than
light" i.e. there are no two points whose increase in spatial separation
per unit time is greater than the speed of light.  If space is curved
then all bets are off.  No such global coordinate system need exist.
Ultimately the problem is that velocity is a local measurement (whose
value depends on your choice of coordinates) and the "speed" of a
cosmologically distant object is a nonlocal quantity (whose value
also depends on your choice of coordinates) whose possible values
are not limited in the same way as a local velocity.
     One final point, as long as the universe has an equation of state
such that the average pressure is positive (in fact greater than
minus one third the energy density) the universe was *never* pointlike
in the sense that all places in the universe could communicate with all
other places.  The observed homogeneity of the universe is a complete
mystery in such a model.  This is why models of the *very* early universe
with large negative pressures are so popular.
                         
"Cute signoffs are for   Ethan Vishniac
         perverts"       {charm,ut-sally,ut-ngp,noao}!utastro!ethan
                         Department of Astronomy
                         University of Texas
                         Austin, Texas 78712