csc@watmath.UUCP (Computer Sci Club) (05/21/85)
This actually happened. Test: how? A man came to the plate and drove in 5 runs with a single swing of the bat. How did he do this? Answer to be posted in 1 week if nobody has got it right by then. Gilles Dignard University of Waterloo Waterloo, Ontario
man@bocar.UUCP (M Nevar) (05/21/85)
How to drive in five runs with a single swing of the bat:
Bases loased, he walks on four pitches - 1 RBI
Next time up,
bases loaded, hits grand slam - 4 RBIs
------
Total - 5 RBIs
Mark Nevarjs2j@mhuxt.UUCP (sonntag) (05/22/85)
> How to drive in five runs with a single swing of the bat: > > Bases loased, he walks on four pitches - 1 RBI > Next time up, > bases loaded, hits grand slam - 4 RBIs > ------ > Total - 5 RBIs > Mark Nevar I thought it was 5 RBIs in 1 at bat! If we're allowed to use more than 1 at bat, how about: Basses loaded, walks on four pitches - 1 RBI < repeat ad infinitum> There, infinite RBIs with no swings of the bat! (There had better be a better answer than these waiting out there somewhere!) -- Jeff Sonntag ihnp4!mhuxt!js2j "Time has passed, and now it seems that everybody's having those dreams. Everybody sees himself walking around with no one else." - Dylan
csc@watmath.UUCP (Computer Sci Club) (05/22/85)
>How to drive in five runs with a single swing of the bat: > >Bases loased, he walks on four pitches - 1 RBI >Next time up, >bases loaded, hits grand slam - 4 RBIs > ------ > Total - 5 RBIs > > > Mark Nevar Okay, you got me. You can do it that way. The way I was thinking of, however, is quite strange. Let me be even more specific. Replace "a single swing of the bat" with "a single visit to the plate" (a walk or hit-by-pitch would count) Hint: This happened some time ago (I believe in the majors) and resulted in a rule change. (ie it couldn't happen today) Gilles Dignard University of Waterloo Waterloo, Ontario
man@bocar.UUCP (M Nevar) (05/23/85)
>> How to drive in five runs with a single swing of the bat: >> >> Bases loased, he walks on four pitches - 1 RBI >> Next time up, >> bases loaded, hits grand slam - 4 RBIs >> ------ >> Total - 5 RBIs >> Mark Nevar > > >I thought it was 5 RBIs in 1 at bat! If we're allowed to use more >than 1 at bat, how about: > Basses loaded, walks on four pitches - 1 RBI > < repeat ad infinitum> > There, infinite RBIs with no swings of the bat! (There had better be >a better answer than these waiting out there somewhere!) >-- >Jeff Sonntag A walk doesn't count as an at bat, DOES IT ??? 1 at bat 1 swing of the bat
radio@spuxll.UUCP (Rick Farina) (05/23/85)
I'm sure there was once some obscure rule that said that if a batter batted out of turn and reached base, then if the opposing team appeals before the first pitch is thrown to the next batter, the batter is out. If they appeal after the first pitch to the next batter, then the batter who batted out of order must assume his regular position in the lineup. So here goes: Based loaded with Mets (Backman on third, Wilson on second, Hernandez on first). Foster is at the plate, Carter is on deck (but Carter should be up with Foster on deck, Foster is batting out of turn!). The Cub's Sutcliffe winds and deals: Foster is hit by the pitch, taking first base and forcing in a run (1 rbi). Carter steps up, and swings and fouls off Sutcliffe's first pitch. Suddenly, Cubs manager Jim Frey (who has been wondering who will be his regular shortstop and thus did not immediately grasp the implication of Foster's at-bat) jumps from the dugout: Foster has batted out of turn, he shouts to Home Plate umpire Billy Williams. After much heated discussion, Williams rules Foster out. But now here comes Met's manager Davey Johnson. Johnson reminds Williams of of the above-mentioned obscure rule. Carter is ordered by Williams to take Foster's place at first base, and Foster is ordered to take his regular place in the lineup, which happens to be Carter's current at-bat (with the count oh-and-one). Foster's previous at-bat stands. Sutcliffe's first pitch to Foster is whacked into the Wrigley Field bleachers, a grand slam homer and 5 rbi's credited to Foster with one swing of the bat.
ron@brl-tgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (05/23/85)
> > How to drive in five runs with a single swing of the bat: > > > > Bases loased, he walks on four pitches - 1 RBI > > Next time up, > > bases loaded, hits grand slam - 4 RBIs > > ------ > > Total - 5 RBIs > > Mark Nevar > > I thought it was 5 RBIs in 1 at bat! If we're allowed to use more > than 1 at bat, how about: > Basses loaded, walks on four pitches - 1 RBI > < repeat ad infinitum> > > There, infinite RBIs with no swings of the bat! (There had better be > a better answer than these waiting out there somewhere!) You don't get any RBI's for a walk. Walked in runs are not RBI's.
pete@umcp-cs.UUCP (Pete Cottrell) (05/24/85)
In article <10974@brl-tgr.ARPA> ron@brl-tgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) writes: > >You don't get any RBI's for a walk. Walked in runs are not RBI's. Actually, the batter does get an RBI for walking with the bases loaded. Look it up. -- Call-Me: Pete Cottrell, Univ. of Md. Comp. Sci. Dept. UUCP: {seismo,allegra,brl-bmd}!umcp-cs!pete CSNet: pete@umcp-cs ARPA: pete@maryland
woods@hao.UUCP (Greg Woods) (05/24/85)
> You don't get any RBI's for a walk. Walked in runs are not RBI's.
Yes they are! A bases-loaded walk is a legitimate RBI. Unless they've
changed the definition of an RBI in the last 5 years or so, when I used
to follow the stats (no major league baseball here yet, ~sigh~. All we
get is the (gag!) Yankees games on the local independent station, plus
NBC of course)
--Greg
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It seldom turns out the way it does in the song..."krs@amdahl.UUCP (Kris Stephens) (05/25/85)
> This actually happened. Test: how? > > A man came to the plate and drove in 5 runs with a single swing of the bat. > How did he do this? > > Answer to be posted in 1 week if nobody has got it right by then. > > Gilles Dignard > University of Waterloo > Waterloo, Ontario *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH A CHALK STRIPE *** How about this: With the bases loaded, a batter scrapes out a single, but the runner from third misses the plate (the umpire indicates niether Safe nor Out). The defensive team doesn't appeal, obviously not having seen the runner miss the plate. The scorekeeper holds the RBI ruling until after the next pitch (which closes the defenders' opportunity to appeal), but on that pitch, the batter hits a grand-slam, getting credit not only for the four runs scored during that play but also the delayed RBI of the earlier runner. This hinges on the ruling of RBI credit for a failure to appeal on a play at home. -- Kris Stephens (408-746-6047) {whatever}!amdahl!krs [The opinions expressed above are mine, solely, and do not ] [necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of Amdahl Corp. ]
dcm@busch.UUCP (Craig Miller) (05/25/85)
Enough of this easy stuff... Next question for you baseball wizards: How can a batter get 6 RBI's after only '1 time in the book'? (what I mean by '1 time in the book' is that he only has 1 spot in the scorebook - i.e. if you were to look at the scorebook after the game, and you were to find him there 2 times, and the second was a strikeout (with no RBI's at that time at bat), what happened before the second?) This one's probably easier than the 5 RBI question... Craig -- Craig Miller ..!ihnp4!we53!busch!dcm The Anheuser-Busch Companies; St. Louis, Mo.
evan@petfe.UUCP (Evan Marcus) (05/28/85)
> You don't get any RBI's for a walk. Walked in runs are not RBI's.
Oh yes you do. For evidence, see the box score of Sunday's Mets-Dodgers game.
John Christensen got an RBI for walking with the bases loaded. (They lost.)
The problem with the walk and grand slam scenario is that
while it is only 1 legal AB, it is 2 legal plate appearances, and in an update
to the statement of the problem, the originator says that the 5 RBIs occur
in a single plate appearance.
--Evan Marcus
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"I'm not."halle@hou2b.UUCP (J.HALLE) (06/03/85)
In the given example (Foster bats, but Carter who should bat is on deck), the given solution is wrong. The rules are quite explicit about what to do in this case. (Batting out of turn is the biggest section in the book.) If the appeal is made before a pitch is thrown to Carter, Foster is declared out, and all runners return to where they were before the last pitch to Foster. Carter is now up. After the pitch to Carter, Foster is legal. If they appeal now, Carter does not get to bat, since the legal batter is whoever follows Foster. (I'm not sure whether an out is now recorded.) If this is the first time they are up, I think the substitution rule might apply, but I think the scorecard takes precedence. I don't recall for sure. This leads to an interesting situation. Suppose there is a batter between Foster and Carter. Foster gets on, Carter gets on, a pitch is thrown to the batter after Carter. Now no appeal works, since the batter is legally following Carter, who is now legal after that pitch. Well, this guy walks, loading the bases. Who is up? Foster, the runner on third. The rule book even covers this situation.