[net.puzzle] Funny Orbits

bs@linus.UUCP (Robert D. Silverman) (10/22/86)

A new orbit puzzle:

Assume that an object in a circular orbit suddenly has its mass cut in half.
What happens to the orbit?

By the way, the factor of 2 in the above question is critical. If it is
greater than 2 something else happens and if it is less than 2 something else
happens.

Bob Silverman

johnf@apollo.uucp (John Francis) (10/24/86)

> Assume that an object in a circular orbit suddenly has its mass cut in half.
> What happens to the orbit?
> By the way, the factor of 2 in the above question is critical. If it is
> greater than 2 something else happens and if it is less than 2 something else
> happens.

Both halves of the object continue in a circular orbit :-)

Assuming that what the problem *really* means is that the mass is reduced to 1/2
the original mass while something else is left unchanged - what does not change ?
Is it the momentum or the energy ?


        SPOILER FOLLOWS

As under Newtonian dynamics the orbits of all objects moving in a central
inverse-square field are conic sections, the original poser is obviously
looking for the answer "the orbit becomes a parabola". If the factor is
greater than 2 the orbit will become hyperbolic, and if less than 2 it will
become elliptical.

Given this fact, deduce whether the momentum or the energy should be assumed
not to have changed.

aka@cbrma.UUCP (Andy Kashyap) (10/24/86)

In article <352@linus.UUCP> bs@linus.UUCP (Robert D. Silverman) writes:
>A new orbit puzzle:
>
>Assume that an object in a circular orbit suddenly has its mass cut in half.
>What happens to the orbit?
>
>By the way, the factor of 2 in the above question is critical. If it is
>greater than 2 something else happens and if it is less than 2 something else
>happens.
>
>Bob Silverman

There is some confusion. If by "mass cut in half" you mean, half the mass
suddenly vanishes then the answer is "nothing". Orbits have nothing to
do with masses (excepting relativistic effects), but with velocity and
altitude alone.

On the other hand if you mean, the mass somehow explodes in two equal masses
then the answer is more interesting:
There must be conservation of angular mementum. So the center of mass of
the two mass system will continue as before. Now, if the two masses are
moving apart then (by conservation of linear momentum) one must be moving
faster than the center of mass and the other slower. They both will end
up in a elliptical orbit. The faster one in a more eccentric orbit than the
slower one. However, if the explosion is strong enough, the faster one will
spiral out of the system forever, and the slower one will spiral in and
collapse. In this case, what happens to the center of mass? BEATS ME???

Oh well, I tried.
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gwyn@brl-smoke.ARPA (Doug Gwyn ) (10/27/86)

In article <352@linus.UUCP> bs@linus.UUCP (Robert D. Silverman) writes:
>Assume that an object in a circular orbit suddenly has its mass cut in half.
>What happens to the orbit?

This can't be answered without making some additional assumptions,
such as: it retains its previous momentum.  If you simply split
it into two halves, each half maintains the same orbit as before.

james@reality1.UUCP (james) (10/27/86)

In article <352@linus.UUCP> bs@linus.UUCP (Robert D. Silverman) writes:
>Assume that an object in a circular orbit suddenly has its mass cut in half.
>What happens to the orbit?

>By the way, the factor of 2 in the above question is critical. If it is
>greater than 2 something else happens and if it is less than 2 something else
>happens.

Um, intuition makes me say nothing happens.  If a shuttle astronaut lets
go of the vehicle, he just floats there.  It doesn't matter how big the
astronaut is.  Since the same would be true of a rock, I would expect that
if a rock were cut in half in orbit, nothing would happen.

Aren't orbits about the earth a function of the velocity of the satellite
and not the mass???
-- 
James R. Van Artsdalen    ...!ut-ngp!utastro!osi3b2!james    "Live Free or Die"

bs@linus.UUCP (Robert D. Silverman) (10/28/86)

> > Assume that an object in a circular orbit suddenly has its mass cut in half.
> > What happens to the orbit?
> > By the way, the factor of 2 in the above question is critical. If it is
> > greater than 2 something else happens and if it is less than 2 something else
> > happens.
> 
> Both halves of the object continue in a circular orbit :-)
> 
> Assuming that what the problem *really* means is that the mass is reduced to 1/2
> the original mass while something else is left unchanged - what does not change ?
> Is it the momentum or the energy ?
> 
> 
>         SPOILER FOLLOWS
> 
> As under Newtonian dynamics the orbits of all objects moving in a central
> inverse-square field are conic sections, the original poser is obviously
> looking for the answer "the orbit becomes a parabola". If the factor is
> greater than 2 the orbit will become hyperbolic, and if less than 2 it will
> become elliptical.
> 
> Given this fact, deduce whether the momentum or the energy should be assumed
> not to have changed.

As a followup one can assume 3 separate conditions:

(1) Momentum is conserved
(2) Kinetic energy is conserved
(3) Momentum changes from mv to mv/2 and energy from 1/2mv^2 to 1/4mv^2

What happens in each????

Bob Silverman