[net.motss] Not that simple to express, either!

eirikur@amber.DEC (Eirikur Hallgrimsson) (07/12/84)

Steve Dyer >

> Provocative, but I'm a little unclear on what you are trying to say:
> Gay and lesbian people are also ruled to some extent by sex roles (not
> surprising) OR that gay relationships display a male/female role polarity
> (definitely disputable.)  Can you expand on this?  

      Uh,  no--I didn't mean male/female stereotypes. (I wasn't clear.)
I   see   interesting  role  things  happen  at  work  and  in  social
interactions,  too.  But then, I see subliminal messages in advertising.  

      My  point  was that we have this stuff (available behavior patterns)
and since most of the time we don't think to think, we  use  the  default,
and we get this very old, known to work, set of interaction patterns.
I'm not so sure, any more (and this is a big change for me), that we
ought  to  try  to  eliminate  them. Sometimes it's nice to be able to
coast on a default protocol, and sometimes it's nice to be able to get
back to something that you intuitively understand, in a hurry.
I've had several relationships where everything had to be built up
from  scratch,  (and  indeed that was the way that the political me of
then insisted upon it), but that consumes a lot of energy and time, and I'm
not sure that it brings you closer.  I don't think that you can invent
intimacy--it's   not   something  that  takes  place  between  the
self-invented, or even mutually invented parts of you.

		Eirikur (still cloudy) Hallgrimsson

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Thu 12-Jul-1984 16:21 Marlborough uncorrected time.