dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) (09/26/84)
> [Stephen Dyer] > All main-stream national gay organizations that I know of explicitly try > to dissociate themselves from any such groups as NAMBLA. The key to > remember here is that "child/adult" sex is NOT a gay rights issue, and the > only groups who seem to want to make it one are the anti-gay forces and the > members of such groups themselves. Even in Arndt's rather lurid excerpts > from pedophiliac literature, there is interchangeable mention of both > female and male children: where are the gay issues here? Why did Arndt not > take this stuff to net.kids, or perhaps to net.singles and net.social, > where he could take the straight community to task for their own shameful > members? Naturally not, for he has no corresponding axe to grind there. > One thing is clear: net.motss is not the place for this discussion. > Arndt is being just a touch disingenuous when he claims not wanting to > "tar" "homosexuals" with this brush, rivaling Paul DuBois' rejoiner, > "Why, I'm only ASKING a QUESTION." Well, it's nice to know I'm not forgotten even though I've not posted anything to this newsgroup for a while. (i) How, I repeat, do you know I'm NOT asking a question, and genuinely seeking some information? I've not gone away, I'm still here, still reading. And still waiting, probably vainly. Mostly what I got was flames. The rest consisted of "Gibbon says so, so it's so". Well, perhaps. Except that several other people said that history is rubbish, that it's biased against homosexuals, and therefore probably suspect. Again, that may be a valid point. But if history if rubbish, remember that Gibbon is a historian. (ii) I doubt if the NAMBLA, etc., groups are being lumped with homosexual groups for being homosexual groups. (As you pointed out, they need not be, although as Ken replied, what is to be made of a group with a name such as MAN/BOY?) That is, the relevant dimension for understanding this apparently incongruous juxtaposition is not homosexual/heterosexual. The relevant dimension in Ken's mind (I'm guessing, of course), Dave Brunson's mind, and yes, my mind (but perhaps I'm victorian) is normal/perverse, and to large numbers of people, such as myself, Dave and (perhaps) Ken, homosexuality is perverse. I hope you do not consider that statement as automatically invalidating what I said above in (i). -- Paul DuBois {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois "Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight." Psalm 119:35