arndt@lymph.DEC (09/25/84)
Ok. You said, : As for murders, theives, and drug addicts, one could clearly demonstrate that their behavior is wrong." Go ahead. Clearly demonstrate it!! But remember it's only fair to apply the same criteria to homosexuality, so be careful! (It hurts someone, it's against the law, it's against accepted values, etc.) [ The silence you will now hear leads to a conclusion!] Keep chargin' Jym baby, (love your logo - you and perlow sweet on each other -" ((can't even spell the smile sign right!!)) Ken Arndt
dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) (09/28/84)
> > [Ken Arndt] > > But remember it's only fair to apply the same criteria to homosexuality, so > > be careful! (It hurts someone, it's against the law, it's against accepted > > values, etc.) > > [Guy Harris] > 2) and 3) may be true, 1) isn't. YOU prove that it hurts someone. > Put up or shut up. (And no, just because there may be public health problems > from promiscuous gay activities does NOT mean homosexuality hurts people. > Just because there are public health problems from promiscuous straight > activities does not mean that heterosexuality categorically hurts people.) Ken has stated several times now (although he didn't in the above quote) that he has no sympathy for promiscuous behavior, homosexual OR heterosexual. Promiscuity does hurt people, either way. Both are wrong. -- Paul DuBois {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois "Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight." Psalm 119:35
guy@rlgvax.UUCP (Guy Harris) (10/04/84)
> Ok. You said, : As for murders, theives, and drug addicts, one could clearly > demonstrate that their behavior is wrong." > > Go ahead. Clearly demonstrate it!! > > But remember it's only fair to apply the same criteria to homosexuality, so > be careful! (It hurts someone, it's against the law, it's against accepted > values, etc.) 2) and 3) may be true, 1) isn't. YOU prove that it hurts someone. Put up or shut up. (And no, just because there may be public health problems from promiscuous gay activities does NOT mean homosexuality hurts people. Just because there are public health problems from promiscuous straight activities does not mean that heterosexuality categorically hurts people.) Sorry, you won't get the points you expected for this one. I think that for murderers and thieves, "it hurts someone through no fault of their own" is sufficient demonstration. Homosexuality, non-marital sex, atheism, and belief in the Great Pumpkin may hurt people who are bothered by the existence of such beliefs and activities, but that's not the fault of the person who engages in those activities. Guy Harris {seismo,ihnp4,allegra}!rlgvax!guy
gerber@mit-athena.ARPA (Andrew S Gerber) (10/04/84)
>>But remember it's only fair to apply the same criteria to homosexuality, so >>be careful! (It hurts someone, it's against the law, it's against accepted >>values, etc.) Who does it hurt, Ken? It doesn't hurt ME. What laws? (Or, to rephrase that, what ENFORCED laws). Sexual acts between two consenting adults are not exactly investigated by the police anymore. Who sets these accepted values Ken? You? I sure hope not. I am accepted by most people I know.. people I live with, work with, am friends with, my parents, the rest of my family. Let's face it, even with people like you out there, homosexuality is becoming more accepted around the country. And in reference to the statement 'is MOTSS a microcosm of society', the definite answer is NO! Society in general does not use UNIX, does not post messages to the UUCP net. And until they do, we have to realize that we are dealing with a subgroup of humanity, a very select subgroup, with probably the same amount of homosexuals as the rest of society, but not your 'average homosexualty'. And in reference to pedophelia, it DOES NOT BELONG HERE! Pedophelia is not limited to gays AT ALL, why stick it on us. Sure, it's a problem but in the same way murder is a problem around society, it's not a specifically GAY problem. Also, I though you were going, Ken. Why don't you just do what you said you were going to do, or admit you like being able to make people mad at you who you will never see. I really don't care especially, but I worry about those people who read motss and never post anything, because I know that the general consensus is that you are a feeb, and really should be ignored. On that nice note, Andrew Gerber gerber%clio%athena@mc.ARPA decvax!athena!gerber