ken@ihuxq.UUCP (ken perlow) (10/02/84)
-- >> Doesn't hurt you, eh? As long as you don't get AIDS (which >> we all understand doesn't have ANYTHING to do with >> homosexual behavior and practice, or any other cute little >> disease) or you are not phychologically damaged (as any >> heterosexual - see Perlow?) by promiscuity. And no need >> for you hurt yourself by missing out on a family with >> children - you can always adopt (with a little change to >> the laws - like ERA). And never to know that one woman >> who above all others fills your life as a woman, to >> stand beside her as she gives birth to your child - >> Doesn't hurt you? YOU LEAPING SCREAMING ASSHOLE!! Why does he always drag *ME* into this? He always goes out of his way (and that gets pretty far out) to mention my name. Honest, Ken, I don't kiss and tell. That business about being hurt by things you don't do--and I guess priests would have to be included here along with gays--is completely insane. That's a professional opinion. >> And of course we know that things are not going to revert >> to the bad old days in the closet, right? Wrong bozo. >> See below. >> I'm reminded of the first Russian soldiers into Berlin. >> They were very well behaved towards the civilians. Just >> interested in killing German soldiers. But one of them >> is quoted as saying, "Look out for those who come behind >> us. They are pigs." He was right. And my point here is >> that you might be a lot better off than you think if I DID >> set the values. I'm not for putting you all in jail - yet! >> You know how some other countries treat homosexuals - and >> don't think it couldn't happen here!!! I admit though, >> even I have limits: >> A sea story-> (oh goody) To illustrate my limits. >> I remember being in a long line in boot camp, short >> arm inspection or something, and there was this guy >> on the floor in the hall who couldn't take the whole >> boot camp bit and was crying. I felt so bad I wanted >> to step out of line and comfort him. Some of the other >> guys were kicking him as they went by. By the time I >> came abreast of him I had decided to kick him too. So >> I did! It's great to be part of a tradition!! Well, well, the truth comes out at last. Arndt's spine is even limper than the wrists of the "fruits" he fantasizes about. (I dismissed "moral fiber of a jellyfish" as a bit too hackneyed.) He's the guy in the western who comes running up all a-tremble, stutters "Look out, kid--the posse's comin'!", and slinks off to avoid the shootin'. But guess what, Ken? They already knew about it, and worse than you'll ever know, so pardon them (and me) while we puke. OK pardner, you done yer duty. Now you can sit back and wait for the rest of the right-wing reaction and bash gays' and lefties' heads until you do the Brownshirts proud. And with a clear conscience. After all, you warned 'em! -- *** *** JE MAINTIENDRAI ***** ***** ****** ****** 01 Oct 84 [10 Vendemiaire An CXCIII] ken perlow ***** ***** (312)979-7188 ** ** ** ** ..ihnp4!ihuxq!ken *** ***
arndt@lymph.DEC (10/06/84)
Path: decwrl!decvax!mit-athena!gerber Subject: Re: I call you, Jym Dyer!! (Flaming at Ken) Posted: Fri Sep 28 23:47:20 1984 >>But remember it's only fair to apply the same criteria to homosexuality, so >>be careful! (It hurts someone, it's against the law, it's against accepted >>values, etc.) Who does it hurt, Ken? It doesn't hurt ME. What laws? (Or, to rephrase that, what ENFORCED laws). Sexual acts between two consenting adults are not exactly investigated by the police anymore. Ken-> **No, no Andy, I only meant those to be examples of criteria, I was not trying to say they are the ones to be chosen! That would be up to any homosexual who wished to answer me. Either I didn't make that clear or you misconceived (an oxymoron??) my statement. But since you ask . . .: Doesn't hurt you, eh? As long as you don't get AIDS (which we all understand doesn't have ANYTHING to do with homosexual behavior and practice, or any other cute little disease) or you are not phychologically damaged (as any heterosexual - see Perlow?) by promiscuity. And no need for you hurt yourself by missing out on a family with children - you can always adopt (with a little change to the laws - like ERA). And never to know that one woman who above all others fills your life as a woman, to stand beside her as she gives birth to your child - Doesn't hurt you? YOU LEAPING SCREAMING ASSHOLE!! Some laws against homosexuals ARE being enforced (in the armed forces, - try waving it around in the park as a sign of "affection" in the heartland or here in New Hampster and see if the laws are being enforced). And of course we know that things are not going to revert to the bad old days in the closet, right? Wrong bozo. See below. Who sets these accepted values Ken? You? I sure hope not. I am accepted by most people I know.. people I live with, work with, am friends with, my parents, the rest of my family. Let's face it, even with people like you out there, homosexuality is becoming more accepted around the country. ** It is not a case of you or I waking up one morning and setting values. They are ALREADY SET and the homosexual rights movement is trying to change them. That's their whole point - the values are there. I'm reminded of the first Russian soldiers into Berlin. They were very well behaved towards the civilians. Just interested in killing German soldiers. But one of them is quoted as saying, "Look out for those who come behind us. They are pigs." He was right. And my point here is that you might be a lot better off than you think if I DID set the values. I'm not for putting you all in jail - yet! You know how some other countries treat homosexuals - and don't think it couldn't happen here!!! I admit though, even I have limits: A sea story-> (oh goody) To illustrate my limits. I remember being in a long line in boot camp, short arm inspection or something, and there was this guy on the floor in the hall who couldn't take the whole boot camp bit and was crying. I felt so bad I wanted to step out of line and comfort him. Some of the other guys were kicking him as they went by. By the time I came abreast of him I had decided to kick him too. So I did! It's great to be part of a tradition!! Now the point of that little sea story, in case you missed it, is that there are values and there are values. People may give lip service to the idea of homosexual rights but if the lid comes off the homosexual health crisis (seen the T.V. adds about hepatitis? call this 800 # "to find out if you are in the high risk group" Gee Martha, what group is that?, they're starting to ask in East Overshoe) or too many more stories like the one about the little eight year old girl in Texas a few nights ago (with her mother crying on the couch "I just want to hold her again and tell her I love her") who appears to have been taken by a pervert make the nightly news we may, indeed I say we will, see a DEMAND to "clean up". I quote the sheriff in the town where the little girl was taken, "If the courts can't protect us, we'll do it ourselves". This guy had been let out after several sex offenses. Of course the mob is going to stop and say, "No wait, they're only a couple of nice gay boys who don't have anything to do with this." As for your statement that homosexual behavior is becoming more accepted, why there is evidence that that is just not so, even with the new T.V. shows. We are just now entering into the time when the baby boomers are coming of age and THEY are the ones who will be setting the values over the next quarter century! Guess what? They are more conservative than their parents! Read the poles. They are by a huge majority for Reagan and his values. You do know where he stands on the moral issue don't you? But let me quote from a pro homosexual source: 1978 poll showed 70% of Americans believed that homosexual acts always wrong even if the people are in love. "Typically Americans feel that homosexuals can be eliminated by concerted social action." 1979 poll of entering UCLA freshmen 39%females,56%males said "homosexual relations should be prohibited" 1977 Gallop poll listed 56% of Americans as saying homosexuality was due to upbringing or environment. (All the above taken from GAYSPEAK:GAY MALE AND LESBIAN COMMUNICATION, Pilgrim Press, N.Y.,1981, pg.ix.) This book, which is well worth looking at, deals with what and who are homosexuals. Ok so the polls may be dated. But ask yourself, has the country gotten more or less conservative since then? Has there been a move back to "traditional values"? When is the last time before just now that you saw a liberal democrat hectored by people over traditional values? Who is Jerry Falwell and why is he able to register the same number or more voters as the Rev. JJ in the south? - he's doing it in all 50 states (ABC news)? And in reference to the statement 'is MOTSS a microcosm of society', the definite answer is NO! Society in general does not use UNIX, does not post messages to the UUCP net. And until they do, we have to realize that we are dealing with a subgroup of humanity, a very select subgroup, with probably the same amount of homosexuals as the rest of society, but not your 'average homosexualty'. ** don't recognize my making this statement. And in reference to pedophelia, it DOES NOT BELONG HERE! Pedophelia is not limited to gays AT ALL, why stick it on us. Sure, it's a problem but in the same way murder is a problem around society, it's not a specifically GAY problem. ** Keep saying that, . . . as the mob puts the rope around your chicken neck. Besides I'm only calling you on the part that IS your problem - the gays who ARE pedophelia prone. But I feel I've answered this in my replies to Richard Johnson and Steve Dyer. Also, I though you were going, Ken. Why don't you just do what you said you were going to do, or admit you like being able to make people mad at you who you will never see. I really don't care especially, but I worry about those people who read motss and never post anything, because I know that the general consensus is that you are a feeb, and really should be ignored. ** Sorry to be such a tease. And an upset. I really don't want to know what the general consensus is (is feeb). I want to know what is right. Listen Andy, if I'm so wrong, why are you guys so mad? Like you say just ignore an idiot. I do. You people are not idiots in my book, just mistaken. But you are close, gang. I mean have you really read some of the silly statements I've had thrown at me? I just know you'll wake up tomorrow morning and say I was right and go out and grab a woman. (If you get stuck on what to do after you grab call me.) Shiiiiiit! Love ya, Ken Arndt
saquigley@watmath.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) (10/23/84)
>> And never to know that one woman >> who above all others fills your life as a woman, to >> stand beside her as she gives birth to your child - >> Doesn't hurt you? YOU LEAPING SCREAMING ASSHOLE!! You're right Ken, it does hurt at times, but I've learned to live with it. That's one of the disadvantages of being heterosexual I guess..... Sophie Quigley ...!{clyde,ihnp4,decvax}!watmath!saquigley