mf@cornell.UUCP (mf) (11/19/84)
Ross M. Greenberg says: > Simply because he is gay I should protect his >rights at my own cost?? Give me a break....... quotes Ayn Rand, >" I swear by my life, and by my love for it, that I shall not live my > life for the sake of any other man, nor ask any other man to live his > life for my sake " - John Galt and says elsewhere he lost too many jobs (for being jewish) for him not to hate this kind of discrimination. Mr. Greenberg, don't you realise that this selfish and monstrous attitude of yours (which Ayn Rand defended in her book "Philosophy of Egoism"), was that of the Gentiles towards the Jews (and other minorities) before and during WWII, while they were first abused, then persecuted and exterminated? Do you still hold that they acted ETHICALLY, then, since they obviously didn't give a damn (or at most a prayer) for the lives of the millions of Jews who were sent to the furnaces, even when it was finally known (to the Allies who knew soon enough to stop it, had they wanted to; to the Church who could have intervened without much danger; to the average German and French who looked and didn't do anything, even when it was still relatively safe to help)? For this indifference to the plight of others, who are taken in the grip of forces much above their power as individuals to defend themselves, people died and die all over the world. Do the names of Cambodia, Uganda and Ethiopia ring a bell, along with those of Maidanek and Treblinka? Both should, if you call yourself a jew and a man. That's why you should fight against discrimination, even of gays, because they are people, and because this is in your ultimate interest (hence ethical, right?), as a potential target of discrimination. Discrimination is an atmosphere, so if there is now discrimination against gays, that against jews is not too unlikely. (Besides I keep seeing daily graffiti talking very explicitely and viciously for the (renewed) extermination of jews and they are no joke, they reflect a latent antisemitism.) Ayn Rand was good for kids in the paradise of the rich and peaceful. This is not the world most of us live in, and it's not of our choice. Michel Fingerhut
ken@ihuxq.UUCP (ken perlow) (11/20/84)
-- [From M Fingerhut's admonition of Ross Greenberg for embracing Ayn Rand] >> ... For this indifference to the plight of others, who are taken >> in the grip of forces much above their power as individuals to defend >> themselves, people died and die all over the world. Do the names of >> Cambodia, Uganda and Ethiopia ring a bell, along with those of Maidanek >> and Treblinka? Both should, if you call yourself a jew and a man. >> That's why you should fight against discrimination, even of >> gays, because they are people, and because this is in your ultimate >> interest (hence ethical, right?), as a potential target of >> discrimination. Discrimination is an atmosphere, so if there is now >> discrimination against gays, that against jews is not too unlikely. >> (Besides I keep seeing daily graffiti talking very explicitely and >> viciously for the (renewed) extermination of jews and they are >> no joke, they reflect a latent antisemitism.) >> Ayn Rand was good for kids in the paradise of the rich and >> peaceful. This is not the world most of us live in, and it's not of >> our choice. >> Michel Fingerhut Well said! So well, in fact, it's worth repeating (so I did)! An injury to one is an injury to all. -- *** *** JE MAINTIENDRAI ***** ***** ****** ****** 19 Nov 84 [29 Brumaire An CXCIII] ken perlow ***** ***** (312)979-7188 ** ** ** ** ..ihnp4!iwsl8!ken *** ***