heiser@cca.UUCP (Bill Heiser) (03/12/85)
*** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** How come there have hardly been any postings to this newsgroup lately? Is it just my site, or net.wide? -- Network: decvax!cca!heiser USPS: Bill Heiser, PO Box 3202, Peabody, MA 01961-3202
rjl7498@acf4.UUCP (Reginald J. Lewis) (03/14/85)
Its netwide. Reggie
rob@ptsfa.UUCP (Rob Bernardo) (03/15/85)
In article <1874@cca.UUCP> heiser@cca.UUCP (Bill Heiser) writes: >How come there have hardly been any postings to this newsgroup lately? Is it >just my site, or net.wide? >-- > >Network: decvax!cca!heiser I have seen VERY little since about a week or so (today is 3-14). -- Rob Bernardo, Pacific Bell, San Francisco, California {ihnp4,ucbvax,cbosgd,decwrl,amd70,fortune,zehntel}!dual!ptsfa!rob _^__ ~/ \_.\ _ ~/ \_\ ~/ \_________~/ ~/ /\ /\ _/ \ / \ _/ \ _/ \ \ /
schuster@Shasta.ARPA (03/16/85)
> How come there have hardly been any postings to this newsgroup lately? Is it > just my site, or net.wide? I'll bite; after all, it's Friday night and I just got part of the kernel I've been working on ported. Here's a few topics for discussion, and please feel free to ignore them if you wish. Perhaps this isn't the newsgroup to ask it in (perhaps net.women) but do all the people who believe in the pornography => violence => rape think that that holds for gay porn also? I remember reading a parody declaring that `pornography' was pictures of naked women, whereas `art' was pictures of naked men. I've been looking at pictures of naked men for years and I don't particularly think it's made me violent. Would the Minneapolis/St.Paul porn ordinance have banned gay male porn also? Doesn't this concern anybody? I find that I have been going through several phases of relationships over the past few years. First, clinging to an ideal of romance and true love; Second, slut; Third, serial pseudo-monogamy; Fourth, tired and wondering where it all is going, hopefully leading into -> Fifth, old and mellow. Lack of role models is still an odd problem. Has anyone else felt this way? My peer groups have pretty consistently been several years older than me. (Several is from 3-10 years, starting from when I was in high school) Sometimes I wonder what I miss out on by not associating with people my own age, but when I look around I see that I *like* the people I hang out with I feel satisfied but still wonder how things ended up that way. I read a letter to the editor in GCN the other day by a lesbian claiming that S&M lesbians weren't *real* lesbians. Where does she get that idea? I know a couple of S&M lesbians that would disagree with her. There's nothing saying that you have to be gentle to be gay/lesbian. Unfortunately, there's nothing even saying you have to be a decent human being. A friend of mine came up with "Why do *we* have to get all the weirdos" after Cornell's gay/lesbian organization had to deal with a succession of severely deranged people. (We're talking people who can say "Jerry Falwell is good for this country" while cruising the men's gym, or ones that chase you down the halls at 3am trying to poke your eyes out with a lit cigarette). Enough for now. Hope the length doesn't scare anyone away. Jay Schuster ...!decvax!decwrl!shasta!schuster schuster@su-score.arpa If you want to sing out, sing out. If you want to be free, be free. Oh there's a million ways to be, you know that there are.
sdyer@bbnccv.UUCP (Steve Dyer) (03/19/85)
> > Perhaps this isn't the newsgroup to ask it in (perhaps > net.women) but do all the people who believe in the > pornography => violence => rape think that that holds for gay > porn also? I remember reading a parody declaring that > `pornography' was pictures of naked women, whereas `art' was > pictures of naked men. I've been looking at pictures of > naked men for years and I don't particularly think it's made > me violent. Would the Minneapolis/St.Paul porn ordinance > have banned gay male porn also? Doesn't this concern anybody? > There seems to be a dialectical component to the relationship between men and women which becomes superimposed upon something as simple as a poor strait guy just trying to get his rocks off. That is, for some people (Dworkin, etc.) the objectification implicit in all pornography cannot be separated from the objectification of women as a class. This is just silly, of course, and never better served by that BIG exception, gay male porn (and recently, lesbian porn.) When the perpetrator is both victim and victimizer, exploiter and exploited, one can begin to see that it ain't such a big deal after all, just good (un)clean fun. The gay male community seems to take a rather tolerant attitude toward porn, coming down firmly on the side of personal taste. Some feminist/lesbian groups have reacted with horror to the recent crop of lesbian erotic publications, a controversy I have relished following in the gay press. Nothing like seeing such people make fools of themselves in a freer, more analytic setting. -- /Steve Dyer {decvax,linus,ima,ihnp4}!bbncca!sdyer sdyer@bbnccv.ARPA
hollombe@ttidcc.UUCP (Jerry Hollombe) (03/20/85)
>From: sdyer@bbnccv.UUCP (Steve Dyer) >Subject: Re: no messages......... >Message-ID: <205@bbnccv.UUCP> > Some feminist/lesbian groups have reacted >with horror to the recent crop of lesbian erotic publications, a >controversy I have relished following in the gay press. Nothing like >seeing such people make fools of themselves in a freer, more analytic >setting. About seven years ago I did a research paper on pornography for an undergrad psychology course. One of the things I learned was that, at the time, the vast majority of lesbian pornography was written by men for men. Has the situation changed since then? There's always been a market for this stuff, but I wouldn't expect the demographics to alter that much. Perhaps it's just getting more publicity these days. -- -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe) Citicorp TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90405 (213) 450-9111, ext. 2483 {philabs,randvax,trwrb,vortex}!ttidca!ttidcc!hollombe