root@allegra.UUCP (11/11/83)
Testing anonymous access server. (OK "Lance". You're back on the air!)
root@allegra.UUCP (11/11/83)
To: people with accounts on allegra Information on how to use the motss anonymous access server is stored in /usr/local/lib/anon/README To: everyone else Providing anonymous access to net.motss is quite easy. cron can run a small shell script every hour that looks in a [publically unreadable] spool directory. Any files there are passed to inews and then deleted. In a public directory, we planted a setuid program that copies input to a unique file in /usr/spool/motss. There are a number of links to this program with names like "a.out", "cat", "ls", "more" so that shell accounting cannot be used to trace access. The shell script referenced in crontab is something like: set -e cd /usr/spool/motss for i in * do /usr/bin/inews -t forwarded message -n net.motss < $i rm $i done
root@allegra.UUCP (11/17/83)
Gays in the media; a pretty rare beast. Of course, lots of actors and "teen idols" are gay. (A friend of mine worked as a bartender in a gay disco in California, and could he tell you some stories! However, I don't believe in naming names.) "That Certain Summer" is a pretty good book, but very different from the story on TV. The father leaves his gay lover to get married, not the other way around. Then his 17-year old son falls in love with his father's former lover. I am not surprised they rewrote it for TV! "Brideshead Revisited" openly portrays the traditional homosexual love that was a common part of the upper class British schools. The Anthony Blake character is a master of camp humor, something dying out today in the gay community. Anthony Andrews plays the beautiful, but troubled Sebastian. Mary Renault has written a number of books which deal with male homosexual love. "The Charioteer" takes place in WWI (II?) England. Most of her novels take place in ancient Greece. "The Persian Boy" is the most famous, a true story about one of Alexander's lovers. The main Lesbian author of our time is Rita Mae Brown. She wrote "Ruby Fruit Jungle" which is a must read for anyone interested in the female gay world. I haven't noticed any messages on motss from Lesbians, and I don't expect to. Those that I know would be as interested in what we have to say about Lesbianism as a pig is about Sunday. Movies? When "Personal Best" was shown in Greenwich Village to a Lesbian audience, they applauded after the first love scene. That kind of praise is VERY hard to come by. I've given up on ever seeing a good movie about the male gay experience. I just watch for Richard Gere, "Lance"
root@allegra.UUCP (11/17/83)
When should you come out?
A friend of mine recently got a security clearance. It was hell! He
told them he was gay, so someone from the government came and asked him
a whole series of degrading questions ("do you have sex in public?",
"are you dominant or passive?", etc.). On the bright side though, his
friends in the company and his boss were very supportive and shared his
indignation on being asked these questions.
I have never had problems, and all of my friends know who "Lance" is.
Then again, all my friends are liberal scientists with Ph.D.'s. You
have to judge whether the people you are around are "cool". I don't
make a point of telling people I am gay, but if I am open, my close
friends tend to find out (sometimes by accident, the technical term for
which is "dropping your beads".)
Then comes the problem of how to meet people when you are not "out".
You can try wearing an earring, but I swear no one knows which ear it
goes in. ("Gee, I think it depends on what coast you are on.") If
you're in Greenwich Village, try asking directions to "Uncle Charlie's"
(I prefer "The Ninth Circle" personally.). There are the standard
lines too:
You ask: "Do you have the time?"
Straight: "Sure, it's five o'clock."
Gay: "Sure."
So, are you all getting in touch or just reading netnews? What are you
waiting for, your 80th birthday!
An All American Boy,
"Lance"root@allegra.UUCP (11/21/83)
You can send mail to allegra!lance. It goes into a public file on our system. (Please don't send mail to allegra!root. It is rarely looked at, and mainly used to exchange uucp info. Thanks.)
root@allegra.UUCP (12/14/83)
S/M is "politically incorrect" because it is considered to be the psychological basis of male domination of women in our society. That is one of the more radical viewpoints, anyway. In other words, Lesbians doing S/M are symbolically acting out what all [straight] men do to all women. In response to "Real Men Aren't Named Lance". Well, what can I say? Lance is the name of a movie "actor" I like. You can see him in the great cinema classic, "Good Times Coming". A confirmed quiche eater, "Lance"
root@allegra.UUCP (root) (01/07/84)
Here is a letter I just sent to a close friend of mine. Perhaps it will contain something of interest to some people on net.motss: Dear Tom, I am really concerned about you and Mark. I think you are making a big mistake if you leave Mark. Here are my main points: 1. You are too much of a perfectionist. You reject people for trivial reasons when they have many good points. Mark is loving, cute, intelligent, and a neat housemate. When we were talking, you were never able to tell me anything convincingly bad about him. If anything, you got lucky! Do you think you can find lots of people who meet all your requirements? I don't think so. 2. In some ways I think you are still a virgin. Like many people who don't start sex early in life, you are addicted to masterbation. You have never experienced sex "here and now" with someone. Instead, you climb into an inner fantasy world. You are still masterbating instead of making love! 3. Another indication of sexual immaturity is that you are so put off by the smells and tastes and feelings of the human body. This is a sort of contempt for Humanity. I know lots of straight people like this. They think oral sex is gross. They think a guy's cock is ugly. They suffer from a modern social disorder; thinking people should be pristine like they were made of plastic and chrome! 4. Talk this over with Mark and see if you can't try to work out some more therapeutic love making. Stop worrying about your own orgasm so much and just enjoy the feelings in your body. Also, try concentrating on each other's orgasms. Get Mark's rocks off and just watch him and enjoy his reactions while you're doing it. Let him try to do the same to you. Don't worry about "getting results". Just playing together is better love making than some people accomplish. 5. You and Mark can have an open relationship, I am sure. First though, you must develop security and trust. How can Mark trust you when you openly talk about leaving him! If you are too selfish, you will wind up being the loser in the long run. Friends and long-term relationships are something few gays achieve, and they are often very lonely because of that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Your armchair sex therapist, "Lance"
root@allegra.UUCP (root) (01/11/84)
For what it's worth, I know two identical twins one of whom is gay and the other straight. That must conflict with some silly theory. With regard to Will Doherty's article, I have a few words. Motss has a very large readership, and for the most part I am sure it is made up of curious straights (Hi There!). Most of these people know very little about the gay community except for the more outrageous (and outdated) stereotypes. Therefore, I am glad to see the articles from Steve Dyer, Mike Simpson and "Felix". They are doing a good job of expressing the feelings of the young gay mainstream. Will Doherty, and other members of NAMBLA do not represent the mainstream. They are a fringe group that offends almost all other gay people. I may sound very promiscuous in my articles, but I think anyone who seduces a child should go to prison. NAMBLA has done and continues to do a great deal of harm to the gay liberation movement! Sincerely, "Lance"
root@allegra.UUCP (root) (01/12/84)
Here is a letter I recently recieve from a gay friend back at school. I thought I would also share it with motss: ---------------------- Life is kind of hysterical. Last night I was working late in the lab, when out of the blue, this gay post-doc I ran around with one summer walked in. You could have knocked me over with a feather. We never had sex, but he was very promiscuous. I always admired his zest for life, and envied his youthful appearance. He had always kept a slight distance from me, I always thought it was to keep me from getting involved. We had been kind of stand-offish because he stood me up for our last date and didn't even say goodby. He did the same thing to the secretary, XXXXX. Well last night he explained why all that had happened. For years he had hid from me the fact that he is dying from leukemia! All the incidents which had hurt me, he now brought up of his own volition. He told me tales of passing out in his office, of vomiting blood and spending weekends in the hospital. Ironically, he was hurting far more than me. His greatest fear was that his friends would find out. The ravages of disease have not touched his face. The last time he was here, he brought with him the most beautiful boy. I came up to them and flamboyantly said hello, to which the boy replied, "Oh, you MUST be YYYYY." I never got to talk to this kid because they left mysteriously very soon after that. I now have learned that he had had a sudden remission. The boy is as much his nurse as his lover. He was too weak to travel alone. So it is not often that our friends can redeem themselves in our opinions, and emerge from the torment of pettiness we heap on them with a really rare dignity. As the song goes, "I come away with a diffr'nt point o' view." Now I know why he lives the way he does, because every day was a little more precious to him. Love, YYYYY ----------------------- "Lance"
root@allegra.UUCP (root) (01/12/84)
Talking about the problems of going home, one of my closest friends from school likes to keep his hair dyed ash blond. Before spending Christmas with his mother, he has to carefully dye it back to its natural color. "Lance"
root@allegra.UUCP (root) (01/17/84)
An objective response to NAMBLA: A child can be severely crippled emotionally by a traumatic sexual experience with a trusted adult. The person may be traumatized at the time, or later when they grow up and realize the implications of what has happened. Children need the love of an adult very much. If that adult introduces sex into the relationship, the child may go along. The child may even enjoy it, but it is not because the child wants the sex in the same way as an adult. Studies of incest victims follow that pattern. When the child grows up, they are terribly hurt by the experience! This is a abuse of the bond between a developing child and an adult. A very subjective response to NAMBLA: It's people like this who give queers a bad name! "Lance"
root@allegra.UUCP (root) (01/28/84)
If you are gay and living in the Holmdel or Murray Hill or Short Hills areas, you are not alone! A number of employees of AT&T Bell Labs have organized informal meetings for discussion, group activities, and just generally getting in touch. At Holmdel, about 15 people of all ages meet regularly for discussion and get together to see plays in NYC and such things. A number of straight friends often participate in their activities as well. At Murray Hill, we are in the process of organizing. There are four men and two women working on this and we have already gotten in touch with several more people. Don't let yourself feel isolated! If you would like to join our group or if you would like to talk with someone you can trust, get in touch with us. For information, contact Greg Howard at (201) 530-8330.
root@allegra.UUCP (root) (02/03/84)
Lesbians and Gays in Telecommunications (LeGIT) is hosting an AIDS lecture on Friday, February 24th. The speaker will be from the NJ Department of Health, the Centers for Disease Control, or one of the NJ Hospitals active in treating people with AIDS. There may also be representatives from Gay Mens Health Crisis and the New Jersey Lesbian and Gay Coalition to give small presentations. Topics will include: A description of AIDS, what it is and isn't; Who it affects; Symptoms to watch for; Safer sex guidelines; The latest statistics; an update of any recent findings on transmission; and a Q & A session. The lecture will be held in the Lincroft area. Anyone needing further information should contact: Greg Howard (201) 949-3837 work (201) 530-8330 home hopd3!gbh UNIX mail
root@allegra.UUCP (root) (02/12/84)
A day in the life ... I got a very excited phone call from my friend Tom in California. He and his lover, Mark, were strolling down the beach at Malibu and noticed a group of nice looking young men. As they walked by, they noticed one guy sitting on another guy's lap. One in white trunks called out to Tom (an obscene but friendly remark). "Hey, they're gay!" said Tom. "Yeah, and the guy in the white trunks is Lance!" said Mark. [Note: Lance is a young blond porno star.] Tom didn't believe it, so they walked on. Later, the group of guys walked by them, and Tom saw the famous panther-head tattoo on Lance's arm. He called out "Hey, you're Lance!", and they all wound up talking for a while. (The white trunks were actually Calvin Klein underwear!) One guy gave Tom his business card (he sold Roll Royces in San Francisco), and Lance wrote Tom's phone number on the back of his hand. "Lance", but not Lance
root@allegra.UUCP (root) (02/12/84)
People have been talking a lot about coming out. Coming out to everyone is a big step, but what is disapointing is that many gays cannot come out to other gays. Specifically, I am thinking of the gay talk group at the place where I work. It is doing well, but the number of people in it is clearly a very tiny fraction of the gay population at our lab (thousands of people work here!). I know one case of a guy who met another member of his department at a gay bar. The other fellow was very upset and started avoiding the first guy completely. I guess I was like that as an undergraduate. I had the chance to attend gay-student meetings but chose instead to just feel miserable (even thought my roommate and I were lovers). Here is my advice to isolated gay people: 1. Check out counceling services at work. I know at AT&T Bell Labs, they are very good at helping gay people and will also get you in touch with gay therapists or with the gay talk group if you want to. Of course, they are highly discrete. 2. Get in touch with the talk groups, if there are any. They are also quite discrete. It really helps a lot to know other people; to recognize a few faces in the hallways. Of course, the first step is to face the fact that you are gay. If you choose to see a counceller, they will let you take that step very slowly. "Lance"
root@allegra.UUCP (Allegra Staff) (08/04/84)
OK, enough politics. Let's talk about beauty and the Olympics. In addition to the fellows Ron Rizzo mentions, keep your eye on Greg Louganis (US diver) and Steve Lundquist (swimmer). Greg has gotten a lot of attention in the gay press. Lundquist has been doing a lot of modeling, photographed by none other than Bruce Weber (the reason GQ magazine used to be so great). Also, on the Brazilian team, check out Tom Hintnaus. He was the model for the amazing Calvin Klein undershorts add, the one with Tom in his shorts leaning against some sort of white pillar. This was also photographed by Bruce Weber. There is a book out of Bruce Weber's photos. Very nice. It has an entire section on the famous model, Jeff Aquilon, some of which are distinctly erotic. Straying even further from the topic, I assume you have noticed Scott Madsen, the fellow in the Soloflex adds. Soloflex publishes a beautiful booklet about their machine featuring Scott in all sorts of positions. You can also buy full-sized posters of him from PERSONAL EXPRESS, in Fair Oaks CA. Well, maybe next time I'll say something deep and intellectual. Aufwiederschreiben, "Lance"
root@allegra.UUCP (Allegra Staff) (08/05/84)
I agree with Tannenbaum: Ken Arndt is a very naughty boy, but finking on him is not cool. Let's face it, there are a lot of naughty boys on net.motss! So what is all this BS about "invert" versus "pervert". I don't care if being gay is learned or inborn. I don't care if 75 percent of the population never does it. I don't care if the Bible says it is bad. I don't even care if Ken Arndt says it is bad. If two motss want to have sex, who are they hurting? And if they do hurt each other, isn't straight sex just as "dangerous"? And what business is it of anyone else's? If you want to peek through keyholes, why don't you get angry at the child molesters and wife beaters. Hell hath no fury like... "Lance"
root@allegra.UUCP (Allegra Staff) (08/06/84)
Well, I guess this means we won't hear the rest of Arndt's Navy stories. Too bad. Too bad that so many people unraveled at the seams when he posted trivial arguments against homosexuality. Why the insecurity? First of all, considering how widely read net.motss is, there are very few creeps. So, don't waste energy stewing over hate mail like Plunkett's latest. If someone farts in public, do you think about the bad smell for days and days? What do people mean when they say that homosexuality is unnatural? Do they mean it is a recent fad like Punk Rock? No, it is as old as mankind. Do they mean it has always been detested? No, some societies were quite casual about it. I think what they really mean is "I don't want anyone to be that different from me." Are people homosexual just because they want to be? I have rarely met anyone who claimed such. The first time I fell in love, it was with another boy. I didn't decide to do that for kicks. It tore me apart inside, just like it does when a boy falls in love with a girl. So, why shouldn't I love another guy? Why isn't it my right? Because it offends people who will never see us make love? It is really frightening to see how meaningless the word Freedom is to some people. If there is one single answer to all the objections I have seen on net.motss it is, MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS! Keep him away from water, Keep him out of the light, And never, never feed him after midnight, "Lance"
sdyer@bbncca.ARPA (Steve Dyer) (08/17/84)
I would be interested in discussing and sharing, over personal mail,
the issues involved in being gay and jew--the related problems, conflicts,
experiences, solutions; the inner struggles as well as those with the exterior
world. More generally, those arising from belonging to several (incompatible?)
worlds: gay; religious (jewish or other); in my case--also European; of
integrating them internally, rather than rejecting or repressing any one of
them; of coming to terms with an alien (and hence often alienating) environment.
I am primarily looking for people for whom these are *personal* issues
in any way, rather than for `outsiders' willing to provide theoretical, however
well-meant, advice or criticism. I am not interested either, at this point, in
political and militant polemics.
If you are willing to communicate, please send mail to Steve Dyer, who
has very kindly agreed to forward it to me. I shall reply to you directly.
--
/Steve Dyer
{decvax,linus,ima}!bbncca!sdyer
sdyer@bbncca.ARPAroot@allegra.UUCP (Allegra Staff) (08/18/84)
I have the vague impression that an earring in the right ear means gay, and in the left ear means straight. Then again, I have gay friends who wear earrings in their left ear. "Gee, I think it depends on which coast you are on", say some. Matt Dillon's left ear is pierced, Rick Springfield's (sigh) right ear is pierced. Does that mean one of them has to be gay, or is "Teen Beat" just slide-flopping some of their photos? This is a symptom of a general problem. Every time we think of a code signal, rock stars start doing it, and then the teenage boys start doing it and before you know it, guys are getting propositioned on their High-School field trips to Greenwich Village! How can we stop these straight guys from copying our superior fashion sense? Come on you computer scientists! What is the algorithm for telling someone you are gay in a way that only another gay can recognize? Dropping hairpins is only a heuristic. The "gay philosophers" problem is NP complete, "Lance"
rjd@linus.UUCP (Robert DeBenedictis) (04/08/85)
The following message is being fowarded anonymously. If feasible, address reponses to the net. I will, though, foward mail to the original author if it is sent to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- A friend of mine has left home to go to university. he is living in a house with two women who, over the course of the school year have discovered that they are a) lesbians and b) in love with each other. My friend is not really comfortable with the thought of living with 2 heterosexual lovers, but, to his dismay, he has found that in addition to this discomfort he is not comfortable with the fact that they are Gay. He has never had to deal with this before. He is ashamed that he is uncomfortable, but he is uncomfortable all the same. He phoned me up long distance to see if I could shed any light on the problem. Unfortunately, I can't - it is like a fear of cats -- I understand the the fear and discomfort are real for him, but since I have never felt it, I don't know how one would get rid of it. Any suggestions? *Cheap* suggestions -- undergrads don't make much money. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted By: Robert DeBenedictis