fisher@dssdev.DEC (Gerry Fisher --- Terminally Inane) (02/06/86)
In response to Chris' and Keith's postings about the gay community: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I started to reply to Keith's posting by answering him line for line, but my overall point was being lost in the line-by-line debate. My point is the following: I am sick and tired of people stating grandly on one hand that one must not generalize, and then on the other hand blasting gay men in the community for being shallow, petty, full of gossip, catty, et. al. This type of argument is contradictory, hypocritical, and divisive. Yes, I have seen the cattiness in certain circles. Yes, I am aware of the gossip in certain circles. Yes, I am aware that some gay men have problems setting goals and thinking about the future. Yes, I am aware that some gay men have difficulties having stable relationships (not exactly a unique problem considering the current divorce statistics). ***Yes, I am aware that gay men like this might compose the majority in certain gay circles.*** However, to say that these are the traits of the "gay male community" is rubbish. If you believe otherwise, I claim that you are not being perceptive enough, that you are only seeing what frightens you the most, what makes you most insecure about your own masculinity, and what rattles your own conception of what "men" or "gay men" should be. On the one hand, you say "don't generalize." On the other hand, you complain about gay men's "fish handshakes," and you "point into the mirror" to warn us about gossipy queens (do you gossip? should you really have been pointing into a mirror?). You admire men who avoid the gay community even when the association "would clearly be beneficial to the individual," but then you claim to admire lesbians because they are *more* active (politically) in the gay community (again, another generalization). If you *really* don't approve of generalizations, stop using them to "prove" your points. <END_OF_FLAME> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Let me relate two quick stories to prove my point. I play for a gay men's basketball team in Boston, Massachusetts. All in all, I enjoy their company more than any gay "group" I have ever encountered (in the bars, in the Boston Alliance of Gay and Lesbian Youth, in a gay health club to which I belong, and in the AIDS Action Committee). For instance, one of my old boyfriends didn't know who Larry Bird was (player for the Boston Celtics professional basketball team). Unlike my old boyfriend, I could really *talk* with these guys! Finally, I had found a whole group of gay men who liked sports. However, I sensed that although these guys were easy going about traditionally masculine behavior, they were *very* uptight about anything that could be linked to being "gay." Since I have a limited reserve of "Butch-ness," this troubled me. For instance, the first time I came to the gym to play ball with the guys, I asked if this was the gay basketball group. They all looked at me nervously; after all, I had said the forbidden "G" word. Time in and time out, they made it clear that they were (read: "wanted to be") just a bunch of "guys" playing basketball. During one game, a friend of mine said, "he's such a lady; there's more Clinique on that body than is stocked in Filene's department store." This line would have been funny if it weren't accompanied by a vicious "I'm above all that" sneer. I get the feeling that these guys would never watch Dynasty, wear Clinique products, shop in certain stores, listen to Disco music, or wear 501 jeans because that is "gay" behavior. In my opinion, if you don't like a product, don't use it; if you don't like a product because you are worried about what other people think, you are foolish. Story number 2: I just finished working out at my health club and I decided to go to the Boston Ramrod (gay bar) for a drink (a really healthy thing to do, huh?). When I walked into the bar, I noticed the usual assortment of folks (yes, the catty, gossipy people included; after all, they are the most noticeable). One guy stood out of the crowd. He was dressed in jeans, leather chaps, a ringed harness, and a leather hat. I thought he looked ridiculous! So, as I drank my beer, I imagined all sorts of sordid details about this guy in order to pass the time and to amuse myself. After all, I wouldn't be caught *dead* in an outfit like that (except on Halloween---ahem). To my surprise (I *attract* men like that?), the man approached me and we began to talk. He explained that he had read that Thursday nights were "leather and denim" nights at the Ramrod, and that he thought that he would be out of place if he *didn't* dress that way. He explained that he worked in Boston's financial district, lived in the area, and so forth. We had an incredibly enjoyable talk. Not once did he come-on to me ("you know how promiscuous those leathermen are"), and as a matter of fact, he expressed his joy that he found someone with which to pass the time of day. We shook hands (firmly I might add) and parted friends. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- It amazes me the number of people who turn to me to tell me that the bars are only filled with nasty, gossipy queens. I wonder if those people are including themselves in that group; after all, I see them in the bars, too. It kind of reminds me of Boston's local cruising park (where men meet anonymously to have sex); nobody has ever been there, but they can all give eye-witness accounts of what goes on in the bushes. ***You can't generalize*** Under close inspection, generalizations never describe real people. We are too complex to fit into rigid stereotypes. If you choose to avoid the gay community, then you are missing the opportunity to enjoy a wide variety of people. The next time you go into a "gay" event, really try to notice the types of people who surround you. Especially, take time to notice the quiet ones. Appreciate the variety in our community and add your own personality to the melting pot. You and your local gay community will be richer because of it. Don't discredit the notion of community just because you differ from some gay people. We need to appreciate our differences as much as those traits we have in common. What do others think about this issue? Gerry Fisher ...decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-dssdev!fisher *************************************************************************** Nashua, NH: Where the men are men, and the sheep are nervous.