[net.motss] It Arndt necessarily so !

on@hpda.UUCP (Owen Rowley) (02/28/86)

In his latest attack on Rich Rosen Ken Arndt attempts to be witty
while once again proving what an ASShole he really is:
> WELLLLLLL, wellll, well.  Richard Rosen rides again. (or still)  My ole
> would-be net nemesis, almost favorite loud mouth huckster of Rationalism
> and 'brave new world' Materialism.  Still selling your old wares on the
> net, I see.  Even though most, even slightly aware, people out of grad
> school have dumped the silly point of view you espouse.  (Even Woody Allen
> mocks it!  Seen A MIDSUMMER NIGHT'S SEX COMEDY??  The Professor could have
> been played by you.)

whats'a'matter Ken did some other newsgroup throw you out again??
Its been months since you were thrown out of net.motss for your
persistent trash! where were you slumming during the interim??

Still resorting to personal invective, and still laboring under the impression
that other human beings find you humorous??

> The reason I throw this cow paddy into the ring is your barble of a response

ARNDT ADMITS TO THROWING BULLSHIT!!! a gem I shall treasure !!!

> to my posting about Jewish Tradition.  Not that you could do anything else,

You mean your demented ravings, the ones that most reasonable thinking beings 
discarded as the anti semitic garbage that they were.
You don't fool anybody but yourself when you think that your thinly veiled
racist excuse for a religion (thats right some of us remember you admitting to 
being an Identity Christian) doesn't show through your sarcasm.

> having never read a book without a flashy plastic dust cover or sat through
> more than Phil. 101.  I'm thinking about a piece entitled, "Rich Rosen sees
> a Ghost".  I had thought 'Ubizmo' was going to make a point about alternate
> hypotheses but you never got off the idea of merely trying to be clever.

Look whos talking about replacing logic with pathologically warped attempts
at cleverness..... thats the funniest thing you've said yet.. but the jokes 
on you.

> I think it's time to give up using 10% of the national power grid jawin'
> with you on these issues and turn you over to the SPANISH INQUISITION!
> ('No one ever expects the SPANISH INQUISITION')

WELL there we are folks ... I've been telling you that the "New Inquisition"
was just around the corner and here we have this fool proudly invoking
a historical linkage that he has no understanging of. let me tell you something
from an experiential viewpoint bud.... no-one ever ESCAPES the inquisition.
Before the last one was over they had run out of heretics and had moved on
to persecute the early promoters of the inquisition itself. BEWARE Mr Arndt>
You might get your fingers burned.
 
> Rather than attempting to answer my points directly, which might mean
> a trip to a 'gasp' library, you serve up claims that I am really Don Black,
> etc, etc.  Well it so happens I know Don - we have an interest in assault
> rifles in common. Goin' shootin' this summer perhaps and build me a custom
> AR-15.  Now of course that means I agree with everything Don has said, right?

Yeah Dons an Identity Christian Too isn't he .. is that assault rifle stuff part
of the Sunday school curiculum for your local bunker.. I mean parish??

> Speaking of who's who, I could almost believe - for stylistic reasons - that 
> my old witchy bitchy buddy Owen Rowley was really Rich Rosen!  I mean his
> current statements about his understanding of Jewish/Christian history surely
> qualify him for status in the study of religion similiar to yours in philosophy.
> Even a goat would blush at some of the statements he's making.
> (Still love ya Owen, but REALLY. Your ideas would embarrass Hugh J. Schonfield!)
I have never made a secret of my involvment with witchcraft, In fact I've been
quite up front about it Ken, I doubt very seriously that Rich would be caught
dead near anything witchy.... 
It might interest you to know that witchcraft is a legitimate recognised 
religion these days. One doesn't even find accusations of illegal activity
or subversive behavior being leveled at witches anymore, unlike some of the
more bizarre quasi-christian cults one reads about . Its all so sordid nowadays
what with these paramilitary fascist malcontents hiding behind Jesus' robes
while they preach a genocidal gospel of fear and anti-semitic trash. Of course
I have a very warped undersatnding of Jewish/Christian history and I've never
been able to understand how those Identity christians can hate Jews and worship
one at the same time? I'm so confused about how white americans can be the lost
tribe of a nation that they despise?
I guess my education has been flawed!
I'm glad to hear that you still love me Ken, why haven't you written? 
Gosh I've never meant to embarrass you Ken but I guess when you told us
in net.motss that you were just like us you must have really meant it!!
I'm glad to hear that you are comming to grips with your sexuality!

> In any case Rich, what to do?  Well, I've given it some thought, looked into
> my crystal balls, and generaly asked around and I think I have stumbled upon
> the answer to your problem!  You need a:
> 
>                W * O * M * A * N  !!!!  

Where can we buy one Ken? or are you trying to sell Rich yours!

> Really bad.  (There certainly are enough really bad women out there for you to
> choose from.)
 
> Now the reason I say this is because of my vast experience with 'em.  You see
> close proximity with a woman turns pushin' and shovin' into slap 'n tickle.
> And you know what THAT leads to:

Divorce Court?
 
>                C * H * I * D * R * E * N  !!!!
> 
> Imagine little Rosens mewing and puking all over the living room rug.

Oh! ... Sounds like a good reason to invest in the carpet business to me!

> I'll even help you!  Just send me private mail and I'll send you some old
> family tips on how to get and hold a woman.  Handed down for generations from 
> father to son and brought over on the boat.  My agents (they're everywhere 

Is this the method that those mountain men used on the cross country skiier?
You know the guys who kidnapped her and held her captive thinking she'ld get
used to it?  If that meddlesome would be rescuer hadn't come along and tried
to help her they probably would have trained her real good ! Too bad they
had to shoot both of them though!
 
> Don't worry Rich, I'll guide you through the shoals.  I won't let you turn
> out like Clarissa or turn into a Lovelace. (Ask an English Lit. major.)
> And I'll even give you some long term advise.  After all she's going to find
> out that not all men are created equal.  And why Rover likes you so much.
> (Yea, yea I read National Lampoon.)

Then Rich can be just like you Ken... the prospect quickens (sic) 
We all know that theres no hope for us beginners to "measure up to a real man
like you" but I guess if we practice as much as you do we can pull it off!
 
> (Ahh, Rich.  You bring out the 'Elizabethan' in me - mixing the sacred with
> the profane.) 

I never pictured you as a Virgin Queen , but if you insist !!!

> Now I wouldn't kid ya buddy.  All knowledge worth having costs something to
> gain.  (I won't charge you.)  While you may learn something about 'persons',
> the little lady can sometimes be hard to live with and present other problems
> of knowledge.

> Let me give you a personal example of what I mean since by now
> there's only the two of us.  

AHA this proves that Rich and I are the same person!!! Darn youve caught me
in your own lie!
 
> The other morning I was on my way out the door to work wearing my red poka dot
> tie and my green striped shirt (had an important business meeting that day)
> when she says, "Your colors don't match."  You know me, always grateful for
> constructive criticism.  So I said, "Thanks honey, what would I do without
> you?  You have so much better taste than I do."  Harmless right?  Wrong.
> She says, "What does that mean?"  (Never, never, answer a question like that
> directly.  Mumble.)  "Mumble, mumble dear.", I said.  

Come to think of it you DO have a penchant for not answering a direct question, don't you!  Thanks for the specifics!
 
> "You mean you have poor taste and you chose me, don't you?"  
> 
> "No dear, what I really meant (you want to learn about rhetoric don't sign
> up for the Classical Course, just get married) was that I only have a little
> less taste than you.  Didn't I make that clear?"  My Princess, standing there
> in her old torn housecoat and floppy slippers - I thought she was going to
> throw the can of beer at me.

Blatz right?
 
> "Well if you made more money . . . ."  At this point I'll draw the curtain.
> 
> You see Rich, believing that all this was happening to me because of the 
> original configuration of the Big Bang has some philosophical impact, but
> not as much as getting hit in the back of the head with a half full can of
> beer.  Think about it.  

Your lucky it wasn't a bottle!. But then yould have to show her who's boss 
and use that assault rifle , it would be messy for sure!
 
> Take a bite out of life and masticate slowly for the sake of your 
> philosophical digestion.

Gosh Ken youve posted so many articles in net.motss telling us of the
evils of mastication, and how our arrested emotional nature is the result of
immature preocupation with our pee pees I don't understand how you can 
contradict yourself and suggest that rich soil himself in that manner ??

From the sound of your gut rumblings in this last article though I would say its
you who has the philosophical indigestion, probably from swallowing half baked
CI dogma... take some Baalox!!!!!

LUX ..on
Owen Rowley
hplabs!hpda!on

Oh... and I love you too Ken!
seeya saturday night at the _White_Swallow_
Bring the little lady with ya this time.....
Anyone who'd bean you with a beer can is a friend of mine !

weemba@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (Matthew P. Wiener) (03/02/86)

In article <1348@hpda.UUCP> on@hpda.UUCP (Owen Rowley) writes:
>In his latest attack on Rich Rosen Ken Arndt attempts to be witty
>while once again proving what an ASShole he really is:
>> WELLLLLLL, wellll, well.  Richard Rosen rides again. (or still)  My ole
>
>whats'a'matter Ken did some other newsgroup throw you out again??
>Its been months since you were thrown out of net.motss for your
>persistent trash! where were you slumming during the interim??
>
>Still resorting to personal invective, and still laboring under the impression
>that other human beings find you humorous??

Admit it, Owen, *this* Arndt posting was very funny.

>> Speaking of who's who, I could almost believe - for stylistic reasons - that 
>> my old witchy bitchy buddy Owen Rowley was really Rich Rosen!
>
>I have never made a secret of my involvment with witchcraft, In fact I've been
>quite up front about it Ken, I doubt very seriously that Rich would be caught
>dead near anything witchy.... 

Who said you made it a secret?  "Witchy bitchy buddy" is pretty cute.

>> In any case Rich, what to do?  Well, I've given it some thought, looked into
>> my crystal balls, and generaly asked around and I think I have stumbled upon
>> the answer to your problem!  You need a:
>> 
>>                W * O * M * A * N  !!!!  
>
>Where can we buy one Ken? or are you trying to sell Rich yours!

He's being funny, Owen.  But don't think about it.

Etc.

By the way, why is it OK to throw KA off of net.motss but not RR off of
net.religion.christian?  The way he describes Christians as suffering
from some sort of willful mental delusion sounds a lot like some anti-gay
"homosexuality can be cured" propaganda that runs around.

ucbvax!brahms!weemba	Matthew P Wiener/UCB Math Dept/Berkeley CA 94720

dyer@harvard.UUCP (Steve Dyer) (03/02/86)

I don't recall seeing the first part of this exchange in net.motss,
and I don't read net.religion.  It has NO relevance to net.motss,
so please keep it out: Rosenous and Arndtographic postings are bothersome
enough elsewhere without having them creep in where they don't belong.
-- 
/Steve Dyer
dyer@harvard.harvard.edu
harvard!dyer

rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (03/02/86)

Seeing Matthew Whiner come to Ken Arndt's defense was the highlight of my
day.  Ken's medical coverage only allows for a semi-private cell, but it
seemed no one could find anyone who would survive a cohabitation with Ken.
At last, the search is over...
-- 
"Professor, is it just possible that we are dealing with ... *THE* *UNKNOWN*?"
"... ... ... I don't know."			Rich Rosen   pyuxd!rlr

on@hpda.UUCP (Owen Rowley) (03/03/86)

>In article <12117@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> weemba@brahms.UUCP (Matthew P. Wiener) writes:

>admit it, Owen, *this* Arndt posting was very funny.

I find that Arndts stuff is wittily constructed, but he's not funny
mayby a little funny in the head, mayby entertaining but then
the Romans found throwing christians to the lions entertaining :-)
I think I have a well developed sense of humor and Ken Arndt 
does NOT stimulate it.

>Who said you made it a secret?  "Witchy bitchy buddy" is pretty cute.

Witchy and bitchy I am cute I am too!
but Ken Arndts buddy????
I really don't think Jen has the balls to buddy up with me !!

>By the way, why is it OK to throw KA off of net.motss but not RR off of
>net.religion.christian?  The way he describes Christians as suffering
>from some sort of willful mental delusion sounds a lot like some anti-gay
>"homosexuality can be cured" propaganda that runs around.

Its OK with me if the n.r.c community razzes RR till he leaves
I never read nor post to n.r.c except by accident... a few times I have
failed to take n.r.c off of the distribution of a posting (in haste)
Last year Ken Arndt posted a series of intensly homophobic garbage to
net.motss, he even stirred a controversy between those who said ignore him
and he'll go away and those of us who were determined to call him on every word
he wrote.
personally I do not go along with censoring people from the net like
the incident with Don Black, Ken wasn't really kicked
off of net.motss, it was just made clear that he was outclassed!

Kens stuff in net.motss and Richs stuff in n.r.c is similar in that its
an exercise in futility for these two. Why either of them wants to stand in 
someones front yard and throw brickbats is beyond me!
Kens stuff went a bit farther into unacceptability though because he 
is so F**king insensitive . 

individual notes groups must be policed by the users to some degree.
If RR is just getting his jollys by baiting cristians in n.r.c
(and it does seem to be the case!) then by all means I would support 
the readers of that group to hang garlic up or diplay crosses or whatever
works!!
by the way Ken seems to be repelled by quotations from  Monty Python movies ;-)

LUX .. on
Owen Rowley