kiessig@idi.UUCP (Rick Kiessig) (01/02/84)
[Some of you may get this before an article from agkua!glc.
I am sending this in response to Lindsay's message].
I can see your concern over the information that I'm
asking for. Let me point out a few things:
1. Everything posted to Usenet is public domain. This
includes article content as well as return addresses.
2. Everything in public telephone books is public
domain.
3. No personal contact information is being published
without an individual's OK.
4. You can garner a lot more about someone by reading
their netnews articles than you can from a single
line in a directory.
5. A headhunter will get more useful information from
the Usenix attendees list and your secretary than
from the directory. Besides, if you're going to
be solicited, wouldn't you rather get a mail message
than a phone call?
6. If you're paranoid about "Big Brother", you don't
have to be listed (yes, I will accept specific
requests to be left out of the directory). However,
in that case I would recommend you also not be listed
in your company phone book (you would be suprised
how many headhunters already have copies) or your
local public phone book. And don't subscribe to
anything by US mail, or your name will be sold to
a half-dozen or more mail-order houses. Don't
send anything to any news group, don't go to any
professional conferences. Etc.
7. I don't know why you haven't found me in net.news.newsite.
I came on-line and posted an article there several
weeks ago. Mark Horton at cbosgd keeps copies, or
I can mail you one if you want to see it.
8. I will be happy to provide you with a dial-in when
I get one. They only ran two phone lines into my
building, and I use one for voice and one for both
voice and data. I have to dig a ditch from the phone
drop before they can install a third line - the phone
company won't do it for me.
9. It is true that my machine is new. However, I've
been involved in the UNIX and uucp communities
almost since they came out of the Labs. In fact,
it is this long involvment from which my frustration
stems about not having a UUCP Directory.
--
Rick Kiessig
{decvax, ihnp4, cbosgd, ucbvax}!sun!idi!kiessigrjk@mgweed.UUCP (Randy King) (01/06/84)
I see both Linday's point of view as well as Rick's. The most important facet of trust *anywhere* is communication. And like any relationship, when that breaks down (sites dropping certain information) trust tends to fade. This mistrust is enhanced by the current state of information- seeking entities. That's what it's all about, no? Gathering, sorting and disseminating information. I see what Rick is doing. Worst case (*I* don't feel this way) he will *sell* the list to some group of headhunters who will call you. However, that is a hell of a lot of work, and they wouldn't pay him for what his time is worth to compile this information. Beleive me, he is *exactly correct* about "calling the secretary" or getting a company directory. One day the phones in our department rang almost sequentially from the same headhunter! My wife has had the same experience. I tend to believe that what Rick is doing is somehow going to benefit us more than hurt us; the community of tech-pros. Personally, as far as headhunters are concerned, I like to have that ace in my pocket "just in case". My resume tends to be up-to-date by the week, and if I ever feel that my career is being stifled, I'm outta here, so to speak, and the knowlege of where to start looking, and the fact that someone *might* have heard of me is comforting. Think about it... Randy King mgweed!rjk