[net.women.only] sexist surgery

kwlalonde@watrose.UUCP (Madeleine Clin) (12/28/83)

One thing that occurs to me. Whenever men have hormone or even cancer
problems, a great fuss is made to preserve their virility. That's
great.  But why does the medical profession (mainly male) feel it's
okay to remove breasts, uteri and even ovaries at first sign of
trouble?. Think too of all the drugs and devices on the market to help
men maintain virility, but there isn't a lot to `help' women get off
when with a man.  At best we hope he has cared enough to read The Joy
of Sex or some other manual that goes well with our feelings.
					- Madeleine Clin

caf@cdi.UUCP (caf) (01/04/84)

Perhaps it is the men who are getting the sexist surgery;
the decisions re the womens' surgery seem based on survival
rather than reproduction/vanity.
-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX CDI Portland OR (503)-646-1599 cdi!caf 

heretyk@abnjh.UUCP (S. Heretyk) (01/06/84)

Let's have equal time, michael (for you in net.women).
Since you made some tasteless remarks about mother's who have their
sons circumcised I'd like to hear some about fathers.

Shelley Heretyk

kwlalonde@watrose.UUCP (Ken Lalonde) (01/13/84)

To those who brought up the circumcision controversy:  While I think
that circumcision of any kind is wrong, except for religious purposes,
and even then I have doubts, I don't feel circumcision comes under
sexist surgery. It is not a procedure done to degrade men. It is
usually performed on non-consenting babies and that's a whole other
kettle of fish.

As to survival: NO, women are not in general having these operations to
save lives, many women past menopause are told that the time has come
for their hysterectomies and to book the date now. No mention is made
of the risk (about 3 deaths per 500 hysterectomies) that goes with it.

There is also absolutely NO proof that a lumpectomy is less effective
in breast cancer than a radical mastectomy.  A radical mastectomy can
leave the woman weaker, delaying recovery.  In such a case, women are
used as guinea pigs.

Another, non-surgical example:  the very fashionable (for M.D.s)
pre-menstrual syndrome.  Yes, in some women there is a hormone
imbalance, but the idea should be to identify the cause, instead of
blasting away with progestin.  And creator help the women whose
problems are not caused by hormones - no one is looking at alternatives
(it doesn't pay).  Just like menstrual pain, there are now drugs to
help, but no one knows *why* our bodies are so out of kilter...
				- Madeleine Clin