tac@teldata.UUCP () (05/24/84)
, (sop to the blank line eaters--consider it a religious sacrifice) I am not sure that this viscous attack deserves a response, but I never pass up a chance to enlighten the masses. (I spelled that right, it is a fairly thick attack.) Some blank lines deleted for brevity. >> Correct me if I am wrong, but it occurs to me that a credit card company may >> have justification in requesting your SS number on the grounds that they >> are obliged to file tax related reports on you... >> Jonathan Shapiro >> Haverford College... > >>> If the gas companies are filing anything about you in particular with the >>> IRS they are violating your rights of privacy. Incidentally, the banks >>> already do that when they report on you. >>> From the Soapbox of >>> Tom Condon {...!uw-beaver!teltone!teldata!tac} >>> A Radical A Day Keeps The Government At Bay. > >I would agree that you are radical. What do you mean, the banks >already do that when they report on you? The banks report to the >IRS the interest you paid on your gas credit card? You really are >nuts! Like I said to someone else, what is so private about your >social security number? Are you afraid someone is going to steal >all the money you've paid in before you are old enough to apply for >SS? If you're so radical, why do you even pay taxes? Maybe you >don't. The reference to banks is that all financial transactions which they report to the IRS are a violation of your rights of privacy. There is a strong feeling in some quarters that the Federal income tax is a *VOLUNTARY* tax, and if you wish to give information you can. This feeling stems from the wording of the constitutional amendment which created income taxes which states that it is to accomplished by voluntary compliance. The totality of the arguments involves many court cases and I have neither the space here nor the expertise to convince you but if you are interested I can forward information to you. Nothing is private about your social security number, consequently you should only use it if you want information on whatever you are doing at that time available to anyone and everyone. Yes, someone IS stealing all of the money that I paid into SS--the Congress is! They keep handing it out to pay for old SS debts. The SS system has never broken even and never will! It is time we scrapped it. But I digress. I never said that I was radical, you did. I have a "cute little log- off slogan" which tells of the value of radicals. Will you understand if I say "Nevertheless, it moves."??? I hope so. >Anyway (let me get my composure back), if you have paid $1000 in >interest to a credit company, you had better hope that the IRS >gets a report on that amount so you can deduct it. And how are >they going to get a report unless the credit company has your SS >number. Make's perfect non-radical sense to me. >Russ Pierce >drutx!rkp The context of the original comments (and that is why a copy of the message I was responding to can be found in each of the messages that I have sent) was with respect to GAS company credit cards, not your bank credit cards which can be used to get cash advances. I don't know what you use credit cards for, but I don't use them for loans. I can't imagine paying $1000 in interest in a year to a credit card company. I don't pay $10 a year in interest to a credit card company. If I do, I can keep records on that and claim it. You have fallen for the IRS line that with them you are guilty until proven innocent, and are taking the defensive stand (talk about paranoid!?!) that you need proof for what you intend to claim. Even if you do need the proof YOU can get if from the CC company without getting them involved with the IRS. I really don't want the information of how much or where I bought gas available to anyone, especially not the worlds largest terrorist organization (IRS)! I almost forgot the little lesson in freedom. You only get those "rights" which you are willing to fight for, no matter what form of government you have. You must jealously and zealously guard each and every right if you wish to keep it. Do not think that we can rely on our form of government to protect us from the degradation of our freedoms. Each year the US congress passes approximately 10% of the rules and regulations which you are forced to live with, the rest come about by "Executive Decree"--some flunky of a bureaucrat who thinks this would be a good regulation pushes out a new rule which is rubber stamped with authority because it came from the Executive branch of our government. They will tell you that these are laws. The truth is that their office was created by law, but "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congrefs of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives." Taken verbatim and with the original spelling from Article I. Section 1. of the Constitution for the United States of America. Nowhere in our primary operating document is "Law" making authority granted to any other body. From the Soapbox of Tom Condon {...!uw-beaver!teltone!teldata!tac} A Radical A Day Keeps The Government At Bay. Postscript: For those who wish further information on the tax situation I do not have it in electronic form and will need an address to mail it to. DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed herein are those of everyone who matters, but not necessarily anyone you know, and most certainly not my employers!