jmm@bonnie.UUCP (Joe Mcghee) (12/13/84)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Upon America's entry into World War I, the war that was supposedly fought to secure the rights and freedoms of small nations, the U.S. Congress took the trouble to state clearly and openly what it thought the goals of that war should be. One of the intended goals of the United States is expressed eloquently, yet in practical terms in the following bill passed by Congress: *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** 65th Congress House Joint Resolution 88 1st Session ---------------------------------------------------------- IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES May 14, 1917 Mr. Mason introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs and ordered to be printed. ----------------------------------------------------------- JOINT RESOLUTION To declare the liberation of Ireland one of the purposes of the present war. Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that Ireland, a distinct and historic nation, anciently possessed of freedom, in the opinion of Congress and of the American people, of right ought to be free and independent; and be it further Resolved, that as the Irish nation has contributed a very numerous and valuable element to the American Nation, and as the United States is committed by American traditions and by recent utterances of the President to the principle of freedom for small nations, the LIBERATION OF IRELAND FROM ALL FOREIGN DOMINATION is hereby declared one of the objects for which the United States fights in this present war; and all money hereafter voted by Congress for the prosecution of this war, and ALL LOANS HEREAFTER AUTHORIZED TO BE MADE TO ANY NATION NOW AT WAR SHALL BE VOTED AND AUTHORIZED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE LIBERATION OF IRELAND IS ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THIS WAR; and be it further Resolved, that THE LIBERATION OF IRELAND MEANS THE COMPLETE SEPARATION OF THE ISLAND OF THAT NAME, TOGETHER WITH SUCH SMALL ISLANDS AS ARE NOW ADMINISTERED AS PART OF IT, FROM ALL INVOLUNTARY AND SUBORDINATE POLITICAL CONNECTION WITH ANY OTHER NATION AND THE COMPLETE FREEDOM OF THE ADULT INHABITANTS TO DECIDE BY FULL AND FAIR VOTE UPON THEIR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE COMPLETE FREEDOM OF SUCH GOVERNMENT, AS THEY MAY ERECT TO DETERMINE ITS RELATIONS WITH OTHER NATIONS AND TO EXERCISE ALL THE FUNCTIONS OF AN INDEPENDENT NATION, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS DEFINITION, SHALL BE A PART OF THE PEACE TERMS SECURED BY THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH ANY AND ALL OF THE BELLIGERENT NATIONS, and be it further Resolved, That if the people of Ireland shall request the assistance and advice of the United States in the establishment of their future government, the President, the Vice-President, and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall appoint a commission of five American citizens to proceed to Ireland and render such assistance and advice up to, but not beyond, the time when the people of Ireland shall adopt a constitution but the United States shall not attempt to mold the course of the Irish nation and shall assume no responsibility for the new government to be erected in Ireland, and be it further Resolved, That upon the adoption of a constitution by the people of Ireland, if said constitution shall erect a republican government, the Secretary of the Treasury is hereby authorized to purchase bonds of the Irish Government so established, provided such bonds bear interest at not less than three per centum, to the amount of $100,000,000. and to reimburse the Treasury by sale of United States bonds to an equal amount and bearing an even interest. clyde!bonnie!jmm J. M. McGhee
haapanen@watdcsu.UUCP (Tom Haapanen [DCS]) (12/13/84)
> From: jmm@bonnie.UUCP (Joe Mcghee) > Newsgroups: net.flame,net.politics,net.legal,net.nlang.celts Joe, I just love the way you see the world. The Usenet is your playground, and... Some of the more civilized of us (the kind who don't firebomb innocent women and children) don't post the same article to fifteen bezillion (ok, fine, make it four) newsgroups. What the hell does this have to do with the Celtic languages? Please! I suppose next you'll be putting a copy in net.abortion and net.rec.coins too. > Upon America's entry into World War I, the war that was supposedly > fought to secure the rights and freedoms of small nations, ... And then WWII was fought to secure the rights and freedoms of big nations (seriously! Take a look at what happened). > To declare the liberation of Ireland one of the purposes of the present war. This does seem sort of silly, since Ireland was under British rule (unless my history is REALLY screwed up), and the U.S. was on the side of the BRITISH in the war. But has anybody ever said governments have to make sense? > Resolved, that THE LIBERATION OF IRELAND MEANS THE COMPLETE SEPARATION OF THE > ISLAND OF THAT NAME, TOGETHER WITH SUCH SMALL ISLANDS AS ARE NOW ADMINISTERED > AS PART OF IT, FROM ALL INVOLUNTARY AND SUBORDINATE POLITICAL CONNECTION WITH > ANY OTHER NATION AND THE COMPLETE FREEDOM OF THE ADULT INHABITANTS TO DECIDE > BY FULL AND FAIR VOTE UPON THEIR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE COMPLETE FREEDOM > OF SUCH GOVERNMENT, AS THEY MAY ERECT TO DETERMINE ITS RELATIONS WITH OTHER > NATIONS AND TO EXERCISE ALL THE FUNCTIONS OF AN INDEPENDENT NATION ... Well, it's getting a bit legalesish here (not to mention uppercase (!)) but I guess what they mean is self-determination. Well, Ireland definitely has it, and a majority of the Northern Irish also want to stay with the Brits. > ... but the United States shall not > attempt to mold the course of the Irish nation and shall assume no > responsibility for the new government to be erected in Ireland ... Whew! Off that hook, anyway! > ... upon the adoption of a constitution by the people of Ireland, > if said constitution shall erect a republican government, the Secretary of the > Treasury is hereby authorized to purchase bonds of the Irish Government But no Democrats, God forbid! > J. M. McGhee By gads, Joe, three articles in two days is getting a bit much. Even if you are into sadism (just like the boys in the IRA) most of us on the net are not into masochism. Even my 'n' finger (which happens to be the same one used for the entire right-hand side of the keyboard) is getting tired of your articles. Not to mention those of us who have limited disk space on their machines and really dont't need 4x3=12 copies of your articles decomposing on our disks and infesting the disk heads and the like. Unfortunately, I believe you don't even read news so you won't even read this, you slime, since I have NEVER seen you dare print a rebuttal to a flame on the net, **NEVER**. We all know that a pen is mightier than a sword, but Joe, is a firebomb really mightier than a keyboard? BE A MAN AND REPLY! I'm getting sick and tired of you whining about the horrid conditions in Northern Ireland, when your chums are just making things worse by killing off anybody non-Catholic who they can get in their gun sights. Terrorism is goddamn terrorism (and I mean GOD DAMN terrorism) no matter how you dress it. And the thing that REALLY makes me puke is not those idiots over there, but the wimps here in Horth America who think the IRA and Sinn Fein are the greatest thing since sliced potatoes, and keep sending them more money for Molotov cocktails and sniper rifles. The next thing you know, they'll be joining the nuclear club (oh, we'll bomb Brighton first --- hell, they're all Protestants there anyway) and the Irish Americans will applaud until their hands get sore. Just the thing we need to complement Monsieur Reagan... So flame me, Joe, or get off the net! \tom haapanen university of waterloo (519) 744-2468 allegra \ clyde \ \ decvax ---- watmath --- watdcsu --- haapanen ihnp4 / / linus / The opinions herein are not those of my employers, utzoo of the University of Waterloo, and probably not of anybody else either (except possibly me).
wetcw@pyuxa.UUCP (T C Wheeler) (12/13/84)
If McGhee doesn't know the difference between a resolution and a law, then he certainly has a problem. Resolutions carry no weight of law, laws do, by definition. Besides, what does he expect the US to do, send troops? One of the biggest problems in this sad conflict is the Americans of Irish decent who keep funding the terrorists in the mistaken idea that they are helping solve the standoff. Does it make you feel good, McGhee, that some goon squad set off a bomb at Harrod's during the Christmas rush and wiped out several innocent families? They even may have been Irish. There are enough confused priorities in this world without perpetuating the innocence of the IRA. T. C. Wheeler
geb@cadre.UUCP (12/17/84)
A lot of Americans of Irish descent to not support the terrorists of the IRA. (Neither does the Republic of Ireland, for that matter).