[net.legal] Song rights

lyle@sjuvax.UUCP (lyle) (07/19/85)

    I have just finished listening to a few songs by Weird Al Yankovick (sp??).
One was 'I want a new duck' and the other was 'Like a surgeon'. Now I know
that these songs resemble their popular counterparts in ever respect except
the words. What are the legal barriors that entertainers/performers like
these must overcome in order to use another performers song in a seemingly
strange manner? 


					Wayne Lyle

rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (07/20/85)

>     I have just finished listening to a few songs by Weird Al Yankovick (sp??).
> One was 'I want a new duck' and the other was 'Like a surgeon'. Now I know
> that these songs resemble their popular counterparts in ever respect except
> the words. What are the legal barriors that entertainers/performers like
> these must overcome in order to use another performers song in a seemingly
> strange manner? 
> 					Wayne Lyle

I believe they have to ask the songwriter's permission, and then credit the
songwriter for his/her part in writing the music.  "Eat It" was credited
to "Yankovic/Jackson".  On the other hand, if the songwriter says no, there's
nothing he/she can do to stop Weird Al or his ilk from just performing the
song with his own unusual arrangement.  I heard that because Prince wouldn't
let him parody Purple Rain, he just did a "Purple Rain Polka" version.
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rcj@burl.UUCP (Curtis Jackson) (07/22/85)

In article <1196@sjuvax.UUCP> lyle@sjuvax.UUCP (lyle) writes:
>
>    I have just finished listening to a few songs by Weird Al Yankovick (sp??).
>One was 'I want a new duck' and the other was 'Like a surgeon'. Now I know
>that these songs resemble their popular counterparts in ever respect except
>the words. What are the legal barriors that entertainers/performers like
>these must overcome in order to use another performers song in a seemingly
>strange manner? 
>
Weird Al asks permission of the original artists and, if there is any
indication that there might be trouble, he drops the idea like a hot
potatoe.  From the context in the interview it sounded like he did not
get anything on paper, and that he did not legally need anything on paper.
Anyone else have more info?
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wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) (07/22/85)

In article <1196@sjuvax.UUCP> lyle@sjuvax.UUCP (lyle) writes:
>    I have just finished listening to a few songs by Weird Al Yankovick (sp??).
>One was 'I want a new duck' and the other was 'Like a surgeon'. Now I know
>that these songs resemble their popular counterparts in ever respect except
>the words. What are the legal barriors that entertainers/performers like
>these must overcome in order to use another performers song in a seemingly
>strange manner? 
>					Wayne Lyle

I saw an interview with Weird Al on one of those late-night
entertainment-"news" programs. They asked him about the legal steps that
were needed before coming out with a commercial parody, and he answered
vaguely that there were negotiations between his lawyers and the
writers'/performers' lawyers as to permissions and the like. As far as
"Like a Surgeon", he said that Madonna herself brought it up, asking
"When is Weird Al going to do "Like a Surgeon"?", so he went ahead and
wrote it...(Maybe she suggested that so it wouldn't come out as "Like a
Sturgeon" with a lot of caviar jokes... :-)

Will Martin

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tihor@csd2.UUCP (Stephen Tihor) (07/23/85)

If you examine one of Weid AL's albums carefully you will note the permission
lines on all his songs which do not use his originbal music.

blake@utastro.UUCP (R. Blake Farenthold) (07/25/85)

> 
>     I have just finished listening to a few songs by Weird Al Yankovick (sp??).
> One was 'I want a new duck' and the other was 'Like a surgeon'. Now I know
> that these songs resemble their popular counterparts in ever respect except
> the words. What are the legal barriors that entertainers/performers like
> these must overcome in order to use another performers song in a seemingly
> strange manner? 
> 
> 
> 					Wayne Lyle

I vaguely remember from my "music for radio and television" class that
coppyright law affords prople like Weird Al to PARODY a copyrighted
work. (I however will not be held liable for this advice) If you are
thinking about doing it (I know a lot of radio stations that co their
own versions of songs) I would consult an attorny who specializes in
copyright law.

Weird Al was probably vague about how he gets away with the songs
(if it is protected as a parody) because its awful easy to do one,
and ~rWeird Al's stuff isnt the best Ive heard, he was much better
back in 81.. (perhaps I just liked em cause they were dirtier)


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training@rtech.UUCP (Training account) (07/29/85)

> I have just finished listening to a few songs by Weird Al Yankovick (sp??).
> One was 'I want a new duck' and the other was 'Like a surgeon'. Now I know
> that these songs resemble their popular counterparts in ever respect except
> the words. What are the legal barriers that entertainers/performers like
> these must overcome in order to use another performers song in a seemingly
> strange manner? 

According to an interview with Weird Al Yankovic in SPIN magazine, he has to
get permission from the songwriters for all of his parodies.  He tried to
get permission from Ray Davies for YODA for about four years before he
finally got it.  He also said that when Michael Jackson gave him permission
to do "Eat It", a lot of other performers began letting him parody their
songs.

Also, "Like a Surgeon" was apparently actually Madonna's idea.  She approached
a friend of WAY's about WAY performing the song.

Robert Orestein
Relational Technology

chris@scgvaxd.UUCP (Chris Yoder) (07/30/85)

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>Weird Al has said that he has to ask permission from the singers (probably
>the copyright holders) to dissect their music in such a hysterical way.
>Personally, I was very suprised that MJ allowed him to do 'Eat It'.  I've
>always had the impression that MJ takes himself MUCH too seriously....
>-- 
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     This weekend I had the pleasure of hearing Weird Al in person (in the
Greek Theater in Griffith Park).  During costume changes they would show
little film clips to keep the audience from becoming bored.  One of these
film clips showed Weird Al aproach an old house in a lightning storm, knock
on a massive door, go inside after the butler (the door closes [slams?] by
itself, naturally) and is led into a long "throne" room where a dark figure
is sitting.  Wierd Al makes a few groveling comments (I bought all your
albums... etc) and from the rear view you see that this figure has a red
rhinestone jacket and one white glove.  This figure never talks, just
gestures with the one gloved hand.  Weird Al eventually getts to the point,
and askes, very hesitantly, if the dark figure would mind him doing a
take-off on one of his famous songs, and have this parody be about food,
call it "Eat It".  The white gloved hand's thumb goes up and down for a
while until it comes thumbs up.  Weird Al shakes his hand, expresses much
joy and goes out of the room.  Then the claws burst out of the white
glove...

     I do no justice to the clip, but I assume that this does lend some
credibilty to the statement that Weird Al asks permision for his parodies.

BTW -- Weird Al is fun in concert, a truely wild and crazy guy who can put on
a decent show.
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