[net.legal] Pornography definition?

kstevens@latour.DEC (Ken Stevens 297-5342) (11/19/85)

I thought our ordinance writers or whoever does such things have prohressed
farther than this... Apparently men's pictures in similar poses aren't
considered pornographic...




 
The following is a definition of pornography taken from a proposed
anti-pornography ordinance (see the article titled "Re: At Last: Sojourner
on Dworkin-MacKinnon" in net.women for more details):
> 
>      "Pornography is the graphic sexually explicit  subordination
> of  women through pictures and/or words that also includes one or
> (i) women  are  presented  dehumanized  as
> sexual  objects,  things,  or  commodities;  or  
> (ii)  women  are
> presented as sexual objects who enjoy  pain  or  humiliation;  or
> (iii) women are presented as sexual objects who experience sexual
> pleasure in being raped; or 
> (iv) women are  presented  as  sexual objects tied up or cut
> up or mutilated or bruised or physically hurt; or
> (v) women are presented in postures  of  sexual  submis-
> sion,  servility,  or  display;  or  
> (vi)  women's  body  parts--
> including but not limited to vagina,  breasts,  or  buttocks--are
> exhibited  such  that  women are reduced to those parts; or 
> (vii) women are presented as whores by  nature;  or  
> (viii)  women  are
> presented as being penetrated by objects or animals; or
> (ix) women are presented in scenarios of  degradation,  injury,  
> torture, shown  as filthy or inferior, bleeding, bruised or hurt in
> a context that makes these conditions sexual.

weltyrp@rpics.UUCP (Richard Welty) (11/26/85)

> I thought our ordinance writers or whoever does such things have prohressed
> farther than this... Apparently men's pictures in similar poses aren't
> considered pornographic...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> The following is a definition of pornography taken from a proposed
> anti-pornography ordinance (see the article titled "Re: At Last: Sojourner
> on Dworkin-MacKinnon" in net.women for more details):
> > 
> >      "Pornography is the graphic sexually explicit  subordination
> > of  women through pictures and/or words that also includes one or
> > (i) women  are  presented  dehumanized  as
> > sexual  objects,  things,  or  commodities;  or  
> ... many definitions ...
> > (vii) women are presented as whores by  nature;  or  
> > (viii)  women  are
> > presented as being penetrated by objects or animals; or
> > (ix) women are presented in scenarios of  degradation,  injury,  
> > torture, shown  as filthy or inferior, bleeding, bruised or hurt in
> > a context that makes these conditions sexual.

Out of curiosity, does valid journalistic photography come
under this proposed ordinance?
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				Rich Welty

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chrise@ihlpl.UUCP (Chris Edmonds) (11/27/85)

> on Dworkin-MacKinnon" in net.women for more details):
                               ^^^^^
> > of  women through pictures and/or words that also includes one or
        ^^^^^
> > (i) women  are  presented  dehumanized  as
        ^^^^^
> > (ii)  women  are
          ^^^^^
> > (iii) women are presented as sexual objects who experience sexual
          ^^^^^
> > (iv) women are  presented  as  sexual objects tied up or cut
         ^^^^^
> > (v) women are presented in postures  of  sexual  submis-
        ^^^^^
> > (vi)  women's  body  parts--
          ^^^^^
> > exhibited  such  that  women are reduced to those parts; or 
                           ^^^^^
> > (vii) women are presented as whores by  nature;  or  
          ^^^^^
> > (viii)  women  are
            ^^^^^
> > (ix) women are presented in scenarios of  degradation,  injury,  
         ^^^^^

There is something wrong when a definition of pornography references
itself ONLY to women.  I am opposed to any legislation that does not
provide equal protection to all races, age groups, sexes, etc, etc.

DON'T send flames about...
	1.  Most pornography is of women (I agree)
	2.  Most victims are women (I agree)
	3.  I must be in favor of porn (I'm not)
	4.  Or any other irrelevancies (I probably agree with you)

Chris Edmonds @AT&T Something-or-Other, Naperville, IL, ...ihnp4!ihlpl!chrise