[net.legal] Drugs in America -- GRRRRRR!!!!!!

rcj@burl.UUCP (Curtis Jackson) (02/11/86)

In article <970@whuxl.UUCP> stup@whuxl.UUCP (Raggedy-Ann @ Dollhouse) writes:
>    Employers DO like to know if employees are taking controlled
>Rx drugs because, yes, they can affect work performance. Pain killers
>such as codeine and Darvan can make one drowsy. Even antihistimines and
>cough suppressents can do that. Some bosses even want to know when one
>of his/her employees take aspirin! Some Rx drugs can and do affect
>one's personality. But, not to hire someone in these cases would be
>discrimination, I guess.
>-- 
*** FLAME ON ***
Perhaps they'd also like to know when you're on your period because that
can also affect your job performance.  Or maybe they want to know when
I have a fight with my girlfriend because that can affect my job performance.
Surely they'd want to know if I ate lots of spicy Mexican food at lunch;
particularly if it caused me to take Rolaids *gasp* _on_the_job_!!!

I am reminded of an excerpt from Townsend's great book,
_Further_Up_The_Organization_, in which he tells the story of working at
American Express in the late 50s and early 60s, and one of his top
investment counselors came to him with a request for one of the new
calculators, then about $600.  Townsend forwarded the request to
purchasing, who told him that it wasn't in his projected budget for that
fiscal year.  He informed them that he had made out the budget in October,
and that this was now March, and he needed the calculator.  They refused.
Townsend then whipped out his ever-ready resignation and asked the
purchasing weenie to sign it.  "I can't sign your resignation, I'm not
your boss!"  Townsend then said, "Sign it anyway; because when I walk into
the president's office and give him my resignation over this calculator
problem, and he asks me who wouldn't get it for me, I want to give him
your name."  Townsend's man got his calculator.

Townsend said that the point behind the story was that here the company
had a guy whom they trusted to invest literally tens of millions of
dollars on a day-to-day basis, yet they didn't want to buy him a $600
calculator that would have payed for itself in the first 3 minutes
of use.  Now, is anyone seriously going to advocate entrusting a new
employee with all the responsibility that is commensurate with his/her
new position, but lacking trust in them enough to demand drug tests?

I can see it now:  Dennis Ritchie (author of the C language and numerous
other goodies) decides to leave Bell Labs for a new company:

Personnel:  "I'm sorry, Mr. Ritchie, but we cannot hire you."
Dennis:     "But why?  Am I not qualified?  Am I asking too much money?"
Personnel:  "No, none of those are problems.  We found traces of
             antihistimines in your bloodstream."
Dennis (in tears): "It was a last binge to celebrate the new job here!
             It won't happen again, I swear!"
Personnel (closing folder and motioning to the security guard): "I'm sorry,
             Mr. Ritchie, we can't have your kind here at INC, Inc."

[The above in no way implies that Dennis Ritchie agrees with what I am
 saying, likes me, or even knows who I am.]

For those of you who missed INC, Inc. in the movie "Head Office", you
missed a good one.
-- 

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stu16@whuxl.UUCP (Pippin) (02/13/86)

> In article <970@whuxl.UUCP> stup@whuxl.UUCP (Raggedy-Ann @ Dollhouse) writes:
> >    Employers DO like to know if employees are taking controlled
> >Rx drugs because, yes, they can affect work performance. Pain killers


      Don't laugh. Some supervisors here REALLY want to
know. If you are legally taking a drug that affects your
capability, they make allowances for that. They figure if by
taking the drug, you are able to work at all, it's better
than you having to stay home in bed, or being at work but
with lots of pain. Let's face it, wouldn't you rather your
boss know about it than have him/her upset with you because
your productivity slacked off for a bit? I would.
-- 
                      Pippin Stuart
                      whuxl!stu16

stu6@whuxl.UUCP (KELLY @ Bedlam) (02/14/86)

> > In article <970@whuxl.UUCP> stup@whuxl.UUCP (Raggedy-Ann @ Dollhouse) writes:
> > >    Employers DO like to know if employees are taking controlled
> > >Rx drugs because, yes, they can affect work performance. Pain killers
> 
> 
>       Don't laugh. Some supervisors here REALLY want to
> know. If you are legally taking a drug that affects your
> capability, they make allowances for that. They figure if by
> taking the drug, you are able to work at all, it's better
> than you having to stay home in bed, or being at work but
> with lots of pain. Let's face it, wouldn't you rather your
> boss know about it than have him/her upset with you because
> your productivity slacked off for a bit? I would.
> -- 
>                       Pippin Stuart
>                       whuxl!stu16

          I work at the same site as Pippin -  here's what
happened today:

        This morning I slipped on the ice in the parking lot on
my way into the building and sprained my ankle. Stopped at the
Medical dept. and after soaking it, bandaging it and telling me
to stay off it as much as possible, they also gave me some 
painkillers containing codeine. Since I insisted on not going
home, they also called my boss to tell him I was given the
medication. Did they do that so he could keep an eye on me in case 
I fell asleep? Or was it because they thought it a good idea
that he know about it? Company policy? Or what? (I ride in a van
pool, so there was no question about driving while incapacitated).
-- 
                                           Kelly VI(6th)