arlan@inuxm.UUCP (A Andrews) (12/08/85)
*** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** In a recent positing that I hope was just a joke, someone asked for hackers to volunteer for service to Nicaragua. Now we all know that real service to Nicaragua would be on the Contra side, but my suspicion is that they were asking for help in consolidating the Marxist/communist thugs in their genocidal moves in Central America. Just be reminded, those ingenues out there who think it's some kind of game: people are actually dying down there--the Soviet helicopter gunships are not just for show; thery are being used as in the other Soviet client state of Agfghanistant--for the suppression of liberty and elimination of opposition. Today's paper tells of the Sandinistas clsing the one remaining opposition newspaper. do you think they would hesitate to use your misguided help and then discard you, as they did so many American who helped in Cuba, years ago. (And I was one of those who wanted to go help Castro then!) don't be misled by the oh-so-effete intellectuals in this country who want to see a new Abraham Lincoln brigade for Nicaragua. They will sip wine in New Yorkand boston while you die in Nicaraguea. There is a war on, and the communists will lose this one as they are now losing in Africa and Asia in at least eight conflicts. They have overextended and the people ar e rising up against a dying and sterile so-clled philosophy. Don't think you will be doing a service by trying to help the red thugs set up communications and computational facilities in Nicaragua. [Can anyone tell me who paid the net-bill for that blatant recruitment of comjmunists over this network? What a slimy bunch!; --arlan andrews
myers@uwmacc.UUCP (Latitudinarian Lobster) (12/10/85)
> In a recent posting that I hope was just a joke, someone asked for hackers to > volunteer for service to Nicaragua. Now we all know that real service to Nicaragua > would be on the Contra side, but my suspicion is that they were asking for help > in consolidating the Marxist/communist > thugs in their genocidal moves in Central America. > > Just be reminded, those ingenues out there who think it's some kind of game: > people are actually dying down there--the Soviet helicopter gunships are not just for show; they are being used as in > the other Soviet client state of Afghanistan--for the suppression of liberty and > elimination of opposition. Today's paper tells of the Sandinistas clsing the > one remaining opposition newspaper. do you think they would hesitate to use your > misguided help and then discard you, as they did so many American who helped in > Cuba, years ago. (And I was one of those who wanted to go help Castro then!) > > don't be misled by the oh-so-effete intellectuals in this country who want to > see a new Abraham Lincoln brigade for Nicaragua. They will sip wine in New Yorkand boston while you die in Nicaragua. > > There is a war on, and the communists will lose this one as they are now losing > in Africa and Asia in at least eight conflicts. They have overextended and the people are rising up against a dying and > sterile so-clled philosophy. Don't think you will be doing a service by trying > to help the red thugs set up communications and computational facilities in > Nicaragua. > > [Can anyone tell me who paid the net-bill for that blatant recruitment of communists > over this network? What a slimy bunch!; > > --arlan andrews I don't know who the fine individual was who posted the original article was -- isn't it awful that there is somebody who posts more than the complete source to hack [a great game] or MIT research position announcements? I'm one of many hackers who have gone to Nicaragua to help out. The evil communist deeds that I was involved in was in helping the programmers at a pharmaceutical company learn CPM and Microsoft BASIC so that they could re-write their inventory software. I'll gladly answer any questions frankly about my experience there. ``...the oh-so-effete intellectuals'' of the organization which sponsored my trip go to Nicaragua themselves for the same reasons I did -- to help the country and to demonstrate to the people there that there are Americans who are interested in doing something besides killing or exploiting them. What have you done for the world lately, Mr. Andrews? P.S. I object to being called `slimy' -- I take a shower every day. -- Jeff Myers The views above may or may not University of Wisconsin-Madison reflect the views of any other Madison Academic Computing Center person or group at UW-Madison. ARPA: uwmacc!myers@rsch.wisc.edu UUCP: ..!{harvard,ucbvax,allegra,topaz,akgua,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!myers BitNet: MYERS at WISCMACC
lanin@csd2.UUCP (Vladimir Lanin) (12/10/85)
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!
If no one had responded to that poison,
I would have had to be the first,
but I would not have put it better.
Vladimir Lanin
Courant Institute of Math. Sciences, NYU
{ihnp4, allegra}!cmcl2!csd2!laninjmg@dolphy.UUCP (Intergalactic Psychic Police Of Uranus) (12/11/85)
*** <This is no joke> *** > [Can anyone tell me who paid the net-bill for that blatant recruitment of > comjmunists over this network? > > --arlan andrews Ah, hail. Oh patriotic one. I signal you from that den of foolish liberalism known as New York - far removed from that great heartland of America, that progressive soul... So you speak again, great center of certitude, great land of Black & White. I hear the majestic strains: truth and justice ringing from your voice... That beautiful refrain of Joe McCarthy... Mas Cafe? Quiero Mas? More coffee with your All American Apple Pie? I'm sure all of Central America rejoices with the freedom of their lives with each sip you take. Nothing could be better for you than their sweet work days. Certainly, let us not play games... let us instead sit back in front of our T.V.'s, independent thinkers all, and plot the killing and torture of Nicaraguan citizens. That will make clear what we stand for! -- -- Jeffrey Greenberg - ihnp4!allegra!phri!dolphy!jmg In the middle of that grotesque center of commie liberalism: your basic Puerto Rican, Egyptian, Jewish, Spanish, Haitian, Russian, Irish, Italian, Chinese, Armenian, Japanese neighborhood called New York City.
mmm@weitek.UUCP (Mark Thorson) (12/11/85)
Tired of hearing ads from the radical left for TechNICA? Here's a group
on the other side you can support:
Friends of the Americas
912 N. Foster Drive
Baton Rouge, LA
70806
toll free (800) 446-5000
Thanks to the Boland amendment, it is illegal for official U.S. support to
include military equipment. Guns, bullets, and surface-to-air missiles are
purchased with donations from private sources. These are then ferried to
the contras via small, independent airlines with absolutely no connection
to a certain government agency (wink, wink, nod, nod).
Mark Thorson (...!cae780!weitek!mmm)gadfly@ihuxn.UUCP (Gadfly) (12/12/85)
-- > In a recent posting that I hope was just a joke, someone asked > for hackers to volunteer for service to Nicaragua. Now we all > know that real service to Nicaragua would be on the Contra side, > but my suspicion is that they were asking for help in > consolidating the Marxist/communist thugs in their genocidal > moves in Central America. No joke, Rambo. A lot of the Sandies' activities are impeachable, but it's the Contras--the once and future Somocistas--who are butchering the Nicaraguan people. > ...do you think they would hesitate to use > your misguided help and then discard you, as they did so many > American who helped in Cuba, years ago. (And I was one of those > who wanted to go help Castro then!) Hmmm--the "David Stockman Effect". There's no fascist like a reformed leftist. > don't be misled by the oh-so-effete intellectuals in this > country who want to see a new Abraham Lincoln brigade for > Nicaragua. They will sip wine in New York and boston while you > die in Nicaragua. As with the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, the organizers are the ones who've been there and return again and again. Ask them. > ...Don't think you will be > doing a service by trying to help the red thugs set up > communications and computational facilities in Nicaragua. > [Can anyone tell me who paid the net-bill for that blatant > recruitment of communists over this network? What a slimy > bunch!; > --arlan andrews Of course, the difference between the TechNica posting and Arlan's is that the former presented some concrete and useful information, while the latter merely foamed a cliched, truly effete, child's- eye view of a black-and-white world. Dream on. Grow up. -- *** *** JE MAINTIENDRAI ***** ***** ****** ****** 12 Dec 85 [22 Frimaire An CXCIV] ken perlow ***** ***** (312)979-7753 ** ** ** ** ..ihnp4!iwsl8!ken *** ***
c55-hc@ucbbuddy.BERKELEY.EDU (Brent Chapman) (12/13/85)
In article <343@weitek.UUCP> mmm@weitek.UUCP (Mark Thorson) writes: >Tired of hearing ads from the radical left for TechNICA? Here's a group >on the other side you can support: > [address, etc] >Thanks to the Boland amendment, it is illegal for official U.S. support to >include military equipment. Guns, bullets, and surface-to-air missiles are >purchased with donations from private sources. These are then ferried to >the contras via small, independent airlines with absolutely no connection >to a certain government agency (wink, wink, nod, nod). The name of that "small, independent airline" wouldn't just HAPPEN to be Evergreen Airlines, and their home base wouldn't just HAPPEN to be a little airport in Marana, Arizona, that just HAPPENS to have tighter security than most Air Force bases, would it? :-) Brent Chapman ucbvax!ucbugs!chapman
john@anasazi.UUCP (John Moore) (12/15/85)
In article <26@dolphy.UUCP> jmg@dolphy.UUCP (Intergalactic Psychic Police Of Uranus) writes: >*** <This is no joke> *** > >> [Can anyone tell me who paid the net-bill for that blatant recruitment of >> comjmunists over this network? >> >> --arlan andrews > >Ah, hail. Oh patriotic one. I signal you from that den of foolish >liberalism known as New York - far removed from that great >heartland of America, that progressive soul... So you speak again, >great center of certitude, great land of Black & White. I hear the >majestic strains: truth and justice ringing from your voice... That >beautiful refrain of Joe McCarthy... > neighborhood called New York City. Always nice to see a message containing lots of content to elucidate the net, and debates in which you show respect for those you disagree with. I must say that the above message which you sent is DISGUSTING. If you happen to be of the liberal religion and don't like a message, why not just criticize it, not ridicule it so badly? Your message is the electronic equivalent of the "liberals" at eastern universities hooting down and harrassing conservative speakers (Jeanne Kirkpatrick,...); It shows nothing of your intelligence - only your closed mind and bigotry. If you insist on coloring those who don't like communists with Joe McCarthy, I hope your good friend Joe Stalin takes care of you! It is insulting and stupid! -- John Moore (NJ7E/XE1HDO) {decvax|ihnp4|hao}!noao!terak!anasazi!john {hao!noao|decvax|ihnp4|seismo}!terak!anasazi!john terak!anasazi!john@SEISMO.CSS.GOV (602) 952-8205 (day or evening) 5302 E. Lafayette Blvd, Phoenix, Az, 85018 (home address)
gene@batman.UUCP (Gene Mutschler) (12/31/85)
jeff myers exults in his righteousness: > I'm one of many hackers who have gone to Nicaragua to help out. The evil > communist deeds that I was involved in was in helping the programmers at a > pharmaceutical company learn CPM and Microsoft BASIC so that they could > re-write their inventory software. > In case you are thinking of putting this on your resume, my advice is--don't. Unless of course you are looking for a job at the Institute for Policy Studies, the Brookings Institution, or the Democrat Party. Some personnel people might take a dim view of some grad student eating tax dollars and then helping bite the hand that fed him/her. It won't do any good to flame me, as I am only on the net for the holidays and will not be back until Feb 15 at the earliest, by which time your flame will have expired from this system. -- Gene Mutschler {ihnp4 seismo ctvax}!ut-sally!batman!gene Burroughs Corp. Austin Research Center cmp.barc@utexas-20.ARPA (512) 258-2495
gene@batman.UUCP (Gene Mutschler) (12/31/85)
> Mark Thorson would have us send money and arms to the contras, including > "surface-to-air-missiles, guns." Of course you know about the elderly lady right here in Austin who gave the Contras a medevac helicopter. I'll bet that REALLY galls you. > I don't have my legal sources handy, but > I know that there are laws against US citizens engaging in this sort of > activity. Which I am sure you would like to see enforced against Contra supporters, while you turn a blind eye to the giving of aid and comfort to the likes of Ortega and his fellow totalitarians in designer eyeglasses. > Of course, Ronnie Raygun is not likely to send Ed "What's a Bill > of Rights?" Meese out after these lawbreakers, so I guess they'll go on > doing it. For which those of us who love liberty can all be thankful. > --Alan Wexelblat > > -- > WEX@MCC.ARPA > ...ut-sally!im4u!milano!wex Don't bother to flame--I will be gone from the net after 1/4 until at least 2/15. -- Gene Mutschler {ihnp4 seismo ctvax}!ut-sally!batman!gene Burroughs Corp. Austin Research Center cmp.barc@utexas-20.ARPA (512) 258-2495
richk@uw-beaver (Richard Korry) (01/07/86)
> In case you are thinking of putting this on your resume, my advice is--don't. > Unless of course you are looking for a job at the Institute for > Policy Studies, the Brookings Institution, or the Democrat Party. > Some personnel people might take a dim view of some grad student eating > tax dollars and then helping bite the hand that fed him/her. > > It won't do any good to flame me, as I am only on the net for the holidays > and will not be back until Feb 15 at the earliest, by which time your > flame will have expired from this system. > -- > Gene Mutschler {ihnp4 seismo ctvax}!ut-sally!batman!gene > Burroughs Corp. > Austin Research Center cmp.barc@utexas-20.ARPA > (512) 258-2495 Gene, you are correct. It won't do any good to flame you. And in general it doesn't do any good to flame anyone since the flames don't inform people on the issues or establish arguments. Flames are flames. The concept of accepting differing opinions or considering ones own as possibly flawed does not involve the use of CAPITAL LETTERS or the other traditional ways we have for trying to prove our opponent is stupid/non-human. My own view of Nicaragua is that the government is a great improvement over Somosa for the majority of the people. The Sandinistas have their share of stupid blunders especially regarding the Misquito Indians on the Atlantic coast. But each blunder seems to be more than compensated by "good works". Unfortunately they do seem to be heading towards a more conventional State ala the Soviet model in regards to press and other freedoms. Hopefully this is a product of the current civil war and not the true aim of most of the Sandinistas. After talking with many people that have traveled through the country, I am convinced that people have many valid complaints about the Sandinistas but almost noone wants the return of another Somosa and the National Guard.