liss@gramps.DEC (Frederick R. Liss DTN 237-3649) (01/07/86)
I have heard from two widely separated sources that the AIDS
virus is man made. Has anyone else heard the same thing? Is
there any truth to the rumor?
Fred
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In article <296@decwrl.DEC.COM> liss@gramps.DEC (Frederick R. Liss DTN 237-3649) writes: > I have heard from two widely separated sources that the AIDS > virus is man made. Has anyone else heard the same thing? Is > there any truth to the rumor? > > Fred which one was Mae Brussel? curt
royt@gatech.CSNET (Roy M Turner) (01/08/86)
> I have heard from two widely separated sources that the AIDS > virus is man made. Has anyone else heard the same thing? Is > there any truth to the rumor? > > Fred > I have been out of biology for a while now, but as of a couple of years ago, I don't believe that genetic engineering was capable of coming up with viable viruses, aside from modifying existing ones. The theory that I heard was that the AIDS virus (or at least the disease) was endemic in parts of the world, and so isn't exactly a new disease; just new outside of third-world countries. Roy
martinl@molihp.UUCP (Martin M Lacey) (01/09/86)
In article <296@decwrl.DEC.COM> liss@gramps.DEC (Frederick R. Liss DTN 237-3649) writes: > > I have heard from two widely separated sources that the AIDS > virus is man made. Has anyone else heard the same thing? Is > there any truth to the rumor? > > Fred > >--- I have heard rumors to the same effect. But just rumors!!!. These *rumors* say that it is the result biological warfare tests that got out of hand. Who knows anymore :-? . The idea sound kind of cooked up to me though. P.S. Seems the more *advanced* we become, the more deadly deseases we become bitterly *aware* of; but there is little history of these deseases. Is there a link....(new rumor). Martin the Magician. DISCLAIMER: These are just ramblings of tired magic maker, having no real reflection of what I think I'm thinking; or anyone else.
foy@aero.ARPA (Richard Foy) (01/09/86)
In article <295@decwrl.DEC.COM> liss@gramps.DEC (Frederick R. Liss DTN 237-3649) writes: > > I have heard from two widely separated sources that the AIDS > virus is man made. Has anyone else heard the same thing? Is > there any truth to the rumor? > Fascinating! Is there any way of getting a truthful answer to the question? richard foy
steve@ea.UUCP (01/10/86)
The current level of technology in genetic virology would not support the development of a virus like the one that we are dealing with in AIDS. We simply don't have enough understanding of how to grow and manipulate these to engineer them in the lab. I might believe it if this were a relative of some of the more widely studied pests (Herpies type I or II, Epstien- Barr, or perhaps SV40 or Poliovirus). This one is *weird* and is very difficult to manipulate in the laboratory. We should be more worried that antibodies to this critter have been sampled in misquitoes... "know what I mean Vern?..." Steve Blasingame mtxinu!ea!steve
pinter@phri.UUCP (Abraham Pinter) (01/10/86)
> I have heard from two widely separated sources that the AIDS > virus is man made. Has anyone else heard the same thing? Is > there any truth to the rumor? The AIDS viruses are unique agents, very different from any other biological agents isolated prior to 1985. In addition, there is evidence of exposure to AIDS viruses in Africans as early as 1975, which is before recombinant DNA technologies were developed. Thus it is inconceivable that the AIDS viruses were man-made. A more rational hypothesis is that these viruses were present in Africa, either in isolated native populations, or perhaps in the monkey population, for many years, and with recent urbanization and changes in life styles, has spread to reach the developed world.
ibyf@ihlpa.UUCP (Scott) (01/10/86)
> that I heard was that the AIDS virus (or at least the disease) was endemic in
WHAT?? AIDS virus and AIDS disease?? I'm confused
could someone enlighten me???
Dave Scott
ihnp4!ihlpa!ibyf
Great! I'm about to get killed a million miles from
no where with a gung-ho iguana telling me to relax!lanin@csd2.UUCP (Vladimir Lanin) (01/12/86)
The man-made AIDS claim is not simply a rumor. Several articles which have appeared in official Soviet newspapers (including Pravda) claim that the CIA developed the virus as a powerful psychoactive agent (???), and that the virus was accidentally released. "Pravda" means "truth" in Russian. It is an extremely widely read newspaper, and serves as one of the mouths of the authorities. Vladimir Lanin ihnp4!cmcl2!csd2!lanin
warren@pluto.UUCP (Warren Burstein) (01/12/86)
The source for the rumor that AIDS is man-made come from the newspapers at the checkout counter in the supermarket, the ones with cover stories like "APE BABY BORN TO ENCINO WOMAN" and "SPACE ALIENS MOURN ROCK HUDSON." Don't forget the coverage of evening soaps that helps to blur the distinction between the actors/actresses and their roles... "If that's where you get your news from, you'll never want for moonshine." - Ted Sandyman -- The Maxwell R. Mayhem Institute for Quandary Requiem and Maternal Sciamachy Accept no substitutes.
royt@gatech.CSNET (Roy M Turner) (01/13/86)
In article <1013@ihlpa.UUCP>, ibyf@ihlpa.UUCP (Scott) writes: > > that I heard was that the AIDS virus (or at least the disease) was endemic in > > WHAT?? AIDS virus and AIDS disease?? I'm confused > could someone enlighten me??? > Uh, I just meant that I wasn't certain that there was agreement that the causitive agent was a virus; didn't mean to confuse anyone. Lord *knows* I'm confused enough for everybody! :-) Roy
mahoney@bach.DEC (01/13/86)
---------------------Reply to mail dated 9-JAN-1986 16:37--------------------- This runor started in one the tabloid papers. I think it was the Midnight Globe. I take it with a grain of salt. I saw it when I was shopping and at the checkout counters there was the headline about Aids being manmade. From what I have read is that Aids was originally an illness in monkeys that got spread to humans the same way VD did. Brian Mahoney
goudreau@dg_rtp.UUCP (01/13/86)
In article <196@aero.ARPA> foy@aero.UUCP (Richard Foy) writes: >In article <295@decwrl.DEC.COM> liss@gramps.DEC (Frederick R. Liss DTN 237-3649) writes: >> >> I have heard from two widely separated sources that the AIDS >> virus is man made. Has anyone else heard the same thing? Is >> there any truth to the rumor? >> >Fascinating! Is there any way of getting a truthful answer to the question? >richard foy I happened to notice that allegation on the cover of one of the supermarket weeklies. Draw your own conclusion about its validity :-)
martinl@molihp.UUCP (Martin M Lacey) (01/14/86)
In article <3380002@csd2.UUCP> lanin@csd2.UUCP (Vladimir Lanin) writes: >The man-made AIDS claim is not simply a rumor. >Several articles which have appeared in official Soviet newspapers >(including Pravda) claim that the CIA developed the virus >as a powerful psychoactive agent (???), >and that the virus was accidentally released. >"Pravda" means "truth" in Russian. It is an extremely widely read newspaper, >and serves as one of the mouths of the authorities. > The Pravda >serves as one of the mouths of the authorities. is very acurate; but the "authorities" (Read Cremlin) can have motives outside of presenting the truth to its readers - PROPOGANDA. I've heard of so much garbage propoganda in the provda, its hard to weed out what is real and what is not. One thing is for sure, if its bad news its about the States (U.S.). Of course, the above comment about the CIA may be true; could also be a cover for what the KGB is doing :-?. P.S. I'm not anti-Russia OR pro-America, I am just for honest, unbiased information (RARE). But as long as propoganda remains so obvious around the world, I'll continue to question *everything* I read or hear. OBVIOUS DISCLAIMER: I'm not CIA or KGB or MI5; just me, a Canadian thinking my own Canadian thoughts. Magic Martin.
buchbind@agrigene.UUCP (01/14/86)
> > > > I have heard from two widely separated sources that the AIDS > > virus is man made. Has anyone else heard the same thing? Is > > there any truth to the rumor? > > > Fascinating! Is there any way of getting a truthful answer to the question? Yes there is. (One has already been posted: in short, THE AIDS VIRUS IS *NOT* MAN-MADE.) The question becomes: is there any way to get people to believe a truthful answer when they given one? (Fantasies of conspiracies are a lot more fun for some people to believe than the truth.) -- Barry Buchbinder (608)221-5000 Agrigenetics Corporation; 5649 East Buckeye Road; Madison WI 53716 USA {{harvard|topaz|seismo}!uwvax!|decvax|ihnp4}!nicmad!agrigene!buchbind
lanin@csd2.UUCP (Vladimir Lanin) (01/15/86)
> Is the AIDS virus man-made? To which I previously responded > It is not just a rumor, but a claim made by Soviet government newspapers > that the CIA did it. I am *not* saying that I believe the Soviets. (I am sure they are lying as always.) In posting this, I was trying to show the kind of libel that is used by the Soviets to stir up hate for America. In the U.S.S.R., Pravda is analogous to The New York Times, not the National Enquirer. For the vast majority of the Soviet population, it IS the truth. Reading and believing that someone created and spread a fatal disease is horrifying, not entertaining. Vladimir Lanin ihnp4!cmcl2!lanin
crickman@umn-cs.UUCP (Robin Crickman) (01/20/86)
> The man-made AIDS claim is not simply a rumor. > Several articles which have appeared in official Soviet newspapers > > Vladimir Lanin > ihnp4!cmcl2!csd2!lanin This does not make it less a rumor: it merely identifies a plausible source for the rumor. John Hasler (guest of ...ihnp4!umn-cs!crickman)
dobro@ulowell.UUCP (Chet Dobro) (01/21/86)
> > I have heard from two widely separated sources that the AIDS > virus is man made. Has anyone else heard the same thing? Is > there any truth to the rumor? > > Fred Liss (originally on 'net.misc') Well, if it isn't then (...) sure came up with a good one. Note: The elipses is to filled in with either "evolution" or "God", this is *NOT* 'net.origins' (which is another place to discuss this. ) Gryphon
jsdy@hadron.UUCP (01/27/86)
In article <859@umn-cs.UUCP> crickman@umn-cs.UUCP (Robin Crickman) writes: >> Several articles which have appeared in official Soviet newspapers >This does not make it less a rumor: it merely identifies a plausible source >John Hasler (guest of ...ihnp4!umn-cs!crickman) " p l a u s i b l e " ??? First time I heard Pravda ["truth"] called that. -- Joe Yao hadron!jsdy@seismo.{CSS.GOV,ARPA,UUCP}
crickman@umn-cs.UUCP (Robin Crickman) (01/31/86)
> >This does not make it less a rumor: it merely identifies a plausible source > > " p l a u s i b l e " ??? First time I heard Pravda ["truth"] > called that. > -- > > Joe Yao hadron!jsdy@seismo.{CSS.GOV,ARPA,UUCP} I did not mean to imply that the "man made virus" rumor was made plausible by it's appearance in Pravda, but that it is plausible that Pravda originated it. They invent and publish crap like this all the time. John Hasler (guest of ...ihnp4!umn-cs!crickman) "There's no Izvestia [news] in Pravda, and no Pravda in Izvestia."