Seiler%MIT-XX@sri-unix.UUCP (06/18/83)
From: Larry Seiler <Seiler@MIT-XX> Through all three movies, the characters feel "a disturbance in the force" when the disturber is physically near, like within the same Death Star. The only time anyone felt a disturbance at interstellar distances was when Aldebaran was destroyed, and even then they were near (having almost reached it). If Obi-wan never told Vader about Yoda, and Vader never went near Dagoba (and why would he?) then he need never have known about Yoda. Yoda wasn't in robust health in SW5 - he hobbled slowly when Luke first met him, and had Luke carry him thereafter. Presumably he hung on long enough to train the "son of Skywalker," then allowed himself to die. Luke is apparently stronger in the Force than either Obi-wan or Yoda, since he accomplished what they both thought was impossible, so he is probably qualified to train more Jedi, especially with the holograms around to advise him. I have the feeling that using the force to live forever would turn one to the Dark Side. Probably that's what the emperor did. Speaking of the emperor, who trained him? Was that even the Force that he was using. If so, his generals didn't know it. Remember the scene in SW4 where someone mocks Vader for his devotion to that old discredited religion (or some such)? One might laugh at Vader (once), but no one would dare to laugh at the emperor. Larry Seiler, Seiler@MIT-XX -------
mat@hou5e.UUCP (06/24/83)
Why do those most powerful in the force not use it in physical ways? Perhaps that is the way of the Dark Side. It seems that the Force is related in concept to the Tao (pronounce T as ( T + D ) / 2 ) -- the fundemental rule of power then would be ``don't just DO something! Stand there.'' -- although seeking POWER would also be contrary to the ways of the Force. Regarding the suggestion that Luke ``Son of Skywalker'' is the most powerful of all the Jedi -- maybe, if we exclude the Emperor. Once again, I say that the final battle between Luke and old Orange-Eye was just TOO physical. I could have bought it if he just STOOD and threw sparks, but having him chase Luke around like he was trying to punish a bad puppy was not really believable. And, yes, I think that the M. Falcon really should have been destroyed ... but by showing that Han lacks the gift of prophecy we can discredit him forever (I hope) as being an unaware Jedi. Mark Terribile Duke of deNet
mrose.uci%Rand-Relay@sri-unix.UUCP (07/02/83)
From: Marshall Rose <mrose.uci@Rand-Relay>
From: harpo!floyd!vax135!ariel!hou5f!hou5e!mat @ Ucb-Vax
Regarding the suggestion that Luke ``Son of Skywalker'' is the
most powerful of all the Jedi -- maybe, if we exclude the
Emperor. Once again, I say that the final battle between Luke
and old Orange-Eye was just TOO physical. I could have bought
it if he just STOOD and threw sparks, but having him chase
Luke around like he was trying to punish a bad puppy was not
really believable.
I would have thought the battle odd if it had not been done that
way. The dark side of the force feeds on hate, agression, and fear.
Did you see the big E's eyes when he was blasting Luke? The big E
was MAD and had really worked himself into a keen lather. I would
suspect that in order to perform really powerful Force-assisted
activites, those relying on the dark side would have to do just
that. This would be in contrast to those who rely on the light
side, such as Yoda, who use inner tranquility to get the force to
do what they want the force to do. Yoda works up a bit of a sweat
in TESB when he raises Luke's fighter, but he certainly didn't
act like he was excited.
/mtr