Bio3.P-Trei@CU20A@sri-unix.UUCP (07/20/83)
From: Peter G. Trei <Bio3.P-Trei at CU20A> [Permanent Committee to Overthrow the Goverment Next Tuesday after Lunch] ReSent-date: Wed 20 Jul 83 17:19:38-EDT ReSent-from: Michael Rubin <RUBIN@COLUMBIA-20.ARPA> ReSent-to: sf-lovers@RUTGERS.ARPA Are we really sure Leia is 'the Other'? I dont recall any proof of this in ROTJ. What does she do in this movie? She totally screws up the rescue of Han. She took part in an airsled chase, crashed, and was rescued by the Ewoks (why did'nt they eat her?). That's all. At least she got to fly the ship in the earlier movies. If I recall TESB, the OB1/Yoda exchange goes: OB1: "He is our last hope." Yoda: "No, there is another." Yoda and OB1 tell Luke about Leia in ROTJ, but dont say she is the Other. Have we seen her use the Force? The only Force-related act I recall her in was hearing Luke's call in TESB. This does not require ability. Force-users can project to non-users (remember the Darth Vader School of Personnel Management). So Luke COULD transmit to her, without her having any particular ability of her own. I argue that we have no proof that Leia is either the Other, or that she is a Force-user. Lucas is keeping her around for something else. To throw a further spanner in the works, I might point out that it is entirely possible for non-identical twins (eg, Luke & Leia) to have different fathers. Random Notes: Whenever we see the Force used on a living being, the effects seem only to be mental. At no point do we see any Force-user levitate another person (the closest we get is when Luke levitates R2D2 in TESB, and C3PO's chair in ROTJ). All the physical reactions of people are reasonably done by mind trickery; people are persuaded not to see OB1, to show Luke right into Jabba's office, to stop breathing (permanently), to get the hell out of the way, and so on and so forth, but when Darth Vader & son fight, what do they do? Throw things at each other. It would seem that Jedi carry lightsabres because the Force is generally useless against people. Do the Emperor's blue bolts screw this idea up? I wish I could see Lucas' position paper on the Force. What happens to a Jedi's wardrobe when he dies? In ANH, we see OB1 snuff it, and his cloak is left behind. In ROTJ, Yodas' cloak goes with him. DV/Anakin seems to leave not only his suit and prosthetics, but his body as well. Oh well, maybe Yoda is so holy he CAN take it with him. I have not re-seen ROTJ recently. Does anyone recall whether in the final scene LS is carrying his own lightsabre, or his daddies? PS: there are already pirate videotapes of ROTJ up here... Peter Trei BIO3.P-TREI%CU20A@COLUMBIA-20 -------
billh@hp-pcd.UUCP (07/27/83)
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hp-pcd!billh Jul 26 13:12:00 1983
<< 4) Obi-wan then tells Luke `your inside serves you well'. >>
It's "insight" not "inside"...
- Billhmarkb@hpda.UUCP (Mark Bales) (07/29/83)
#R:sri-arpa:-327300:hpda:23100001:000:1225 hpda!markb Jul 22 09:48:00 1983 Of COURSE Leia is the other! As far as general spunkiness goes, in ROTJ she gets to: 1) Masquerade as a bounty hunter. 2) Threaten Jabba and his court with a `thermal detonator'. 3) Strangle Jabba with the chain that ties her to him (it?). 4) Save Han and herself by shooting two Stormtroopers at close range. 5) Reply `I know.' when Han told her he loved her (my favorite part of the movie). As far as Luke never being told that Leia is the other - in ROTJ: 1) Yoda, with his dying breath, tells Luke `there is another Skywalker'. 2) When asked about `the other', Obi-wan informs Luke that this is his twin sister. 3) Luke realizes that Leia is his twin. 4) Obi-wan then tells Luke `your inside serves you well'. As far as Leia displaying use of the force: 1) She understands intuitively that Luke speaks the truth when he tells her she is his sister. 2) After the Death Star is exploded, she divines from the Force that Luke is still alive. Some people should watch these movies a little more closely. Try seeing it again now, when there are fewer screaming children, and more of the dialogue will be understandable. Mark Bales (Rabid SW fan) ...!ucbvax!hpda!markb