edward@utcsrgv.UUCP (Edward Hsing) (07/28/83)
In TESB, Obi-Wan says that Luke is their last hope, but Yoda corrects him by saying that their is another. It seems that Obi-Wan never knew about the other before this moment. But in RotJ we find out that OB-1 (I'm getting lazy) knew about Leia from the beginning. In fact he was the one who hid her from Vader in the first place knowing her future possible importance. It doesn't make sense that OB-1 should make his "That boy is our last hope.." comment if he knows damn well that Leia is around.
heliotis@rochester.UUCP (Jim Heliotis) (07/29/83)
Actually, after that last scene in Dagobah* when Yoda says "There is another", that is, after, the scene fades, Obiwan says, "Oh, yeah, right. How stupid of me. Sorry, Yodie." Jim * See next letter
SR.KAUFMAN@MIT-SPEECH@sri-unix.UUCP (08/02/83)
From: David H. Kaufman <SR.KAUFMAN at MIT-SPEECH>
Date: 28 Jul 83 13:42:54-PDT (Thu)
From: decvax!linus!utzoo!utcsrgv!edward at Ucb-Vax
To: SF-LOVERS at MIT-MC
Re: SW goof
In TESB, Obi-Wan says that Luke is their last hope, but Yoda
corrects him by saying that their is another. It seems that Obi-Wan
never knew about the other before this moment. But in RotJ we find
out that OB-1 (I'm getting lazy) knew about Leia from the beginning.
In fact he was the one who hid her from Vader in the first place
knowing her future possible importance.
It doesn't make sense that OB-1 should make his "That boy is our
last hope.." comment if he knows damn well that Leia is around.
But he doesn't know she's around! Obi-Wan got this message out of the
blue (transported by droid, no less) from the Princess, saying the
Rebellion needed him, so he rushes off to Alderaan - to which he
arrives shortly after the Death Star (original model) has blown it up.
(Naturally, he is rather upset by this). When he, Luke, Han, Chewie,
and droids arrive on the Death Star, Obi-Wan goes off to shut down the
tractor beam before R2D2 finds out that the Princess is alive and in
the dungeon, as it were. Obi-Wan dies before he gets back to the
ship; he never knows that Leia has been found.
Whether or not you decide this is a goof really hinges on one thing:
as a hologram, is Obi-Wan aware only of what goes on while he's
visible? If not, then he should know that the vision that sent Luke
running off is not just a random vision of his friends (Obi-Wan would
assume Han, Chewie, and droids probably, or maybe Biggs and anybody
else from Tatooine who had joined the rebellion) but a vision that
includes Leia. Yoda knows this because he heard what Luke said after
the vision (I think he does mention Leia, though it has been awhile
since I've seen the movie), and because he explores the future in that
direction. If Obi-Wan is only concious of what happens when he's
visible, then presumably after the fade-out Yoda tells him that Leia
is indeed alive, but in the hands of her father.
David Kaufmanjohn@hp-pcd.UUCP (John Eaton) (08/05/83)
#R:sri-arpa:-371700:hp-pcd:24800007:000:996 hp-pcd!john Aug 4 12:33:00 1983 Princess Leia's message to Obi Wan indicated that she was soon to be captured so it is unlikely that he thought that she would have been on Aldeeran when it blew. He was probably more concerned that Darth Vader might discover who she really was and then turn her on to the dark side. Perhaps after locating the tractor beam he instructed R2-D2 to search for any reference to her in the inmperial computers to find out if she were still alive. One must wonder what would have happened if Obi Wan had found out that she was on the Death Star. Leaving her to be killed as a rebel spy would be preferable to having Darth finding out that she was his daughter. The odds against him getting Luke and the Droids out of there were great enough without having to also pull someone out of a maximum security prison. If he tried and failed then that might tip off Darth that she was not your average run of the mill rebel spy. Obi Wan just may have decided to leave her to her fate. John Eaton