[net.movies.sw] It *is NOT* Endor!

grw@fortune.UUCP (Glenn Wichman) (02/07/84)

	The planet called "The Moon of Endor" is indeed a moon,
    a satelite of another planet, called "Endor".  However, Endor
    itself was blown to bits in some ancient cataclysm leaving the
    moon orbiting empty space.  I've pointed this out before, but
    here it is again.

						-Glenn

jec@isrnix.UUCP (James Conley) (02/08/84)

	I was under the impression that Endor was the moon of
Centuri since the phrase "Centuri Moon" is used and "Centuri"
was the planet that exploded or otherwise ceased to exist.

				James Conley
				Indiana University
				...iuvax!isrnix!jec

mcewan@uiucdcs.UUCP (mcewan ) (02/08/84)

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uiucdcs!mcewan    Feb  7 22:54:00 1984

	However, Endor
	itself was blown to bits in some ancient cataclysm leaving the
	moon orbiting empty space.
/* ---------- */

How exactly does one establish an orbit around empty space?

archiel@teklds.UUCP (Archie Lachner) (02/08/84)

A "moon orbiting empty space" would tend to violate some rather fundamental
laws of physics.  Perhaps more is being read into the "moon of Endor" line
than is really there.  It sounds reasonable, as others have suggested, to
interpret the phrase in the same vein as one would "the city of New York"
or "the state of Ohio."  Perhaps some light could be shed on any reason
for doing otherwise, at least within the limits of the logical analysis of
something in a work of science fiction (after all how serious should we
get about this, anyway?).
-- 

				Archie Lachner

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grw@fortune.UUCP (Glenn Wichman) (02/13/84)

	Boy, you guys are quick!  It's amazing how many of you noticed
    that moons can't really orbit empty space.  It's even more amazing
    how many of you took that line seriously!  Loosen up, guys.
	Anyway, the planet Endor DID blow up, and the planet the action
    took place on USED TO orbit Endor, but now it doesn't anymore, because
    Endor is not there.  Is that all clear?  If any of you still has
    trouble believing this, read the book.  It's all there.  Thanks for
    your time,

				Not usually this sarcastic,
							-Glenn

ron@fluke.UUCP (02/22/84)

After the rebels are allowed to fly their stolen shuttle, Tiderium, thru
the shield, Darth returns to the Death Star to advise the Emperor
of the situation.   Darth's exact line is:

  "A small rebel force has penetrated the shield and landed on Endor."

 (The Emperor replies, "Yes, I know."
   Darth:  "My son is with them...")

  Based on Darth's first line, it would appear that the
  moon IS Endor.  (And perhaps it is serving as a SENTRY moon,
  since it holds the field generator...)

I've not read the book, so don't know how the dialog in ROTJ compares
with the paperback...

starner@psuvax.UUCP (Mark L. Starner) (02/26/84)

The exact lines from the movie are:

Two red Imperial Guards stand watch at the elevator as the door
opens to reveal Vader. Vader enters the eerie, foreboding throne
room. It appears to be empty. His footsteps echo as he approaches
the throne. He waits, absolutely still. The Emperor sits with his
back to the Dark Lord.

EMPEROR:	I told you to reamin on the command ship.
VADER:		A small rebel force has penetarted the shield and landed
		on Endor.
EMPEROR:	(no surprise) Yes, I know.
VADER:		(after a beat) My son is with them.
EMPEROR		(very cool) Are you sure?
VADER:		I have felt him, my Master.
EMPEROR:	Strange that I have not. I wonder if your feelings on this
		matter are clear, Lord Vader.

Vader knows what he is being asked.

VADER:		They are clear, my Master.
EMPEROR:	Then you must go to the Sanctaury Moon and wait for him.
VADER:		(skeptical) He will come to me?
EMPEROR:	I have forseen it. His compassion for you will be his
		undoing. He will come to you and then you will bring
		him to me.
VADER:		(bows) As you wish.

The Dark Lord strides out of the throne room.

-- 
			Mark L. Starner
			Pennsylvania State University
			{allegra, burdvax, akgua, ihnp4}!psuvax!starner

malcolm@utcsrgv.UUCP (Malcolm MacPhail) (02/27/84)

I hope we can stop arguing about this.
My belief is that the moon IS Endor.

I re-read the book and found some passages which
describe the beautiful forest, etc. of Endor.
I don't know why anybody will believe I didn't
read the passages properly, but you can read it for
yourself. (See the start of the fifth chapter)

Hopefully we can start discussing other stuff,
Like this extra 22 minutes on TV!

			From my place, /\
				       []  Malcolm