corbin@encore.UUCP (Steve Corbin) (08/16/86)
Well, not to start up a big heated discussion or anything, but I have
bad news for those of you in netland who think that Coca-cola is still
producing coke. There not. They make classic and new coke. Not coke.
I think that everyone agrees (except the Pepsi drinkers) that new coke is
terrible so I won't talk about new coke any more.
However, there is a clear difference in taste between coke and classic coke.
When Coca-cola announced they were changing the formula, I stocked up on
cases of the real stuff. I still had coke for a couple of months after
classic came out. When my supply of coke was running out, I bought some
classic. When I popped the top off the classic coke I immediately noticed
a citrus scent - a scent that coke never had.
After I poured the classic into a glass, the head died quickly. Not like
coke where the head fizzled down slowly. Coke seemed to have a thicker
and denser colored foam when poured.
The taste test is what brought the disappointment. The 'bite' that coke
has(had) was readily missing in the classic. Classic was also a little
sweeter and citrusy (sp?). I found the carbonation to be roughly the same
though coke had a slight more than classic.
Checking the ingredients for classic coke showed one difference from coke:
"high fructose corn syrup and/or sucrose" was substituted for sugar.
It may well be that the classic 'formula' is the same as coke but the
ingredients are clearly different and result in a different taste.
A friend of mine has an interesting theory why Coca-cola changed the formula.
We all know that cocaine was used in the original formula and was taken out
around the turn of the century (I don't know the accurate date). Coca-cola
may have added some other ingredient to retain the 'bite', flavor or
pick-me-up qualities that the cocaine provided. Since Coca-cola will not
reveal their 'secret' recipe it is hard to tell. But what if this were so
and Coca-cola recently discovered some negative, bad or harmful aspects of
this ingredient and was forced or compelled to change the formula. The best
way to do this would be come up with a horrible formula and stop producing
the good stuff. Then wait long enough so that the real coke is off all
the supermarket shelves and the reserve many people will have built up is
depleted. Then back down under public pressure and come out with classic.
This way most people will not notice the difference from coke and classic
since the comparison will be from new coke (most recent drinking experiences)
and classic.
I had a few people (my mother, my wife and a friend) also taste real coke
and classic coke and all said the same thing - the 'bite' was gone and
classic was sweeter and citrusier (sp?).
These are my opinions of course (and my friends) and I am truly disappointed
that I can no longer but the best soda (soft drink, tonic) that ever was.
Sincerely,
Stephen Serrenho Corbin
Usenet {ihnp4, allegra, linus} ! encore ! corbinhsu@eneevax.UUCP (Dave Hsu) (08/16/86)
In article <332@encore.UUCP> corbin@encore.UUCP (Steve Corbin) writes: > >Well, not to start up a big heated discussion or anything, but I have >bad news for those of you in netland who think that Coca-cola is still >producing coke. There not. They make classic and new coke. Not coke. > >After I poured the classic into a glass, the head died quickly. Not like >coke where the head fizzled down slowly. Coke seemed to have a thicker >and denser colored foam when poured. >The taste test is what brought the disappointment. The 'bite' that coke >has(had) was readily missing in the classic. Classic was also a little >sweeter and citrusy (sp?). I found the carbonation to be roughly the same >though coke had a slight more than classic. I made these observations in a net posting last September after comparing Old Coke (still sold overseas) and Classic Coke on an airplane en route from Taiwan. >A friend of mine has an interesting theory why Coca-cola changed the formula. >... But what if this were so >and Coca-cola recently discovered some negative, bad or harmful aspects of >this ingredient and was forced or compelled to change the formula. The best > >Sincerely, >Stephen Serrenho Corbin >Usenet {ihnp4, allegra, linus} ! encore ! corbin You're right. Old Coke had a bad aspect...you could drink it and drink it and not stop. In little over three months in 1985, the Coca-Cola Company managed a feat the British Empire, Luddites, Communists, and Nazis had been unable to accomplish in several hundred years...they crippled the next generation of American researchers. Much as the demise of Chinese-food aficionados severely damaged the MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (now now...don't you DARE touch my account on prep) I believe that we will see the rise of a new class of hackers in the next four or five years; hackers who don't know the feeling of staying up for 60 hours at a time propped up by six or eight liters of The Real Thing, who know nothing about how it burned _just so_ going down your throat, who will wonder why you maintain that hoarde of cans in your closet that looks not so different from the stuff they drink everyday. Because they won't remember. I think this must be part of some conspiracy; did IBM secretly buy Coke Inc behind our backs? I dunno about you, but a couple of us are saving a case for that day our company might go public, just to remember how (Coke Is) It was. *snif*, -dave -- David Hsu (301) 454-1433 || -8798 || -8715 "I know no-thing!" -eneevax Communications & Signal Processing Laboratory / EE Systems Staff Systems Research Center, Bldg 093 / Engineering Computer Facility The University of Maryland -~- College Park, MD 20742 ARPA: hsu@eneevax.umd.edu UUCP: [seismo,allegra,rlgvax]!umcp-cs!eneevax!hsu "I haven't got a life, so you haven't got anything to interfere with..."
licsak@hsi.UUCP (Don Licsak) (08/16/86)
Steve Corben says - > I had a few people (my mother, my wife and a friend) also taste real coke > and classic coke and all said the same thing - the 'bite' was gone and > classic was sweeter and citrusier (sp?). > I'm glad I'm not the only who thinks Classic Coke isn't the same as the original formula. It tastes slightly sweeter to me, also. I can't detect a citrus taste, but everyone's taste isn't the same. I just wish they had left well enough alone. What's that saying about if it isn't broken, don't try and fix it? I'm still a Coke drinker, but I've begun to acquire a taste for RC Cola. Very similiar to original Coke. -- Don Licsak ihnp4!hsi!licsak Health Systems International New Haven, CT 06511 "For Peace Of Mind, Resign As General Manager Of The Universe"
chrisa@tekig5.UUCP (Chris Andersen) (08/17/86)
*sigh* don't you just love people who like to find a conspiracy in everything? When it comes to deciding between a big complex conspiracy and just a bunch of business execs making a bonehead decisions, I'll go with the later theory. It's much simpler and makes a lot more sense. -- My mailbox is always willing to accept letters. Yours in better understanding, Chris Andersen (chrisa@tekig5) P.S. August 26 is my last day on the net. If you want to keep in contact, then reach me before that date.
jin@hropus.UUCP (Jerry Natowitz) (08/18/86)
> A friend of mine has an interesting theory why Coca-cola changed the formula. > We all know that cocaine was used in the original formula and was taken out > around the turn of the century (I don't know the accurate date). Coca-cola > may have added some other ingredient to retain the 'bite', flavor or > pick-me-up qualities that the cocaine provided. Since Coca-cola will not > reveal their 'secret' recipe it is hard to tell. But what if this were so > and Coca-cola recently discovered some negative, bad or harmful aspects of > this ingredient and was forced or compelled to change the formula. The best > way to do this would be come up with a horrible formula and stop producing > the good stuff. Then wait long enough so that the real coke is off all > the supermarket shelves and the reserve many people will have built up is > depleted. Then back down under public pressure and come out with classic. > This way most people will not notice the difference from coke and classic > since the comparison will be from new coke (most recent drinking experiences) > and classic. One of the flavor ingediants in coke is decocainized coca leaf extract. I have no idea what it tastes like but with the very limited medical uses of cocaine I suppose that Coca-Cola's demand for coca leaves was greater than the pharaceutical demand, hence extra cocaine base. Perhaps a request from the powers that be persuaded Coca-Cola to change their formula. Me, I prefer seltzer. -- Jerry Natowitz Bell Labs HR 2A-214 201-615-5178 (no CORNET) ihnp4!houxm!hropus!jin or ihnp4!opus!jin
durbin@uiucuxc.CSO.UIUC.EDU (08/18/86)
I just discovered, after reading your article, that the coke machine
here is really just that...a COKE machine. It is a new machine, and right
on it is a picture of COKE CLASSIC and COKE side by side, and one of the
choices on the "buttons" is COKE, and though I haven't seen it advertised
as making a comeback or tried it yet, it looks as though the real thing has
returned in true form. I probably won't try it, since I am a Mountain Dew
drinker, but I just might so's I can tell you what it's like, and make a
comparison to CLASSIC.
Until the next taste test.....
--_-stauffer
BLEAH!barmar@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Barry Margolin) (08/18/86)
In article <332@encore.UUCP> corbin@encore.UUCP (Steve Corbin) writes: >Checking the ingredients for classic coke showed one difference from coke: >"high fructose corn syrup and/or sucrose" was substituted for sugar. >It may well be that the classic 'formula' is the same as coke but the >ingredients are clearly different and result in a different taste. Sorry, but this change occurred before New Coke was introduced. First of all, sucrose == sugar, so the ingrdient above allows for old and classic coke to be the same. However, the point of this posting is to point out that they were using corn syrup before they created New Coke. Most of my friends believe this was merely because sugar is more expensive than corn syrup. The original poster also made some points about taste and foam differences. Since I am not a cola drinker, I won't comment on those points. I certainly believe that they are possible. -- Barry Margolin ARPA: barmar@MIT-Multics UUCP: ..!genrad!mit-eddie!barmar
dkatz@zaphod.UUCP (Dave Katz) (08/19/86)
An alternate theory which I heard for why the new Coke / Coke Classic
situation occurred is as follows:
1. Coca-Cola was locked into several old contracts to provide the syrup
for their soft drink (for lack of a contract to read from, call it
"Coke").
The contracts had two important features:
i. The syrup was to be provided to the bottlers AT A FIXED PRICE
(possibly applies to only some contracts with bottlers but not
all)
ii. Coca-Cola reserved the right to change the formula for the syrup
at any time.
2. Coca-Cola was losing money (profits) honoring these contracts
because of increased materials costs for producing the syrup.
3. Coca-Cola changed the formula for Coke within their rights according
the contract. This formula MAY have been chosen to be less than
acceptable to the public.
4. Coca-Cola releases a formula for a "new" soft drink to be known by
the trade name "Coke Classic" (or some variation). The formula is
altered from the original Coke to avoid legal problems but is LIKELY
more acceptable to the public
5. Coca-Cola now negotiates new variable-price contracts with the
bottlers who are anxious to have the product because the level of
customer disatisfaction with the new Coke formula is threatening
their profits.
NOTE: the above is merely speculation on the events which MAY have
occurred and does not represent any specific knowledge of the
events or intentions of any of the involved parties. Any
resemblance to persons, places or companies that may in fact
exist is purely coincidental!!!
But would you want your sister to drink one?
D. Katzhsu@eneevax.UUCP (Dave Hsu) (08/21/86)
In article <104700009@uiucuxc> durbin@uiucuxc.CSO.UIUC.EDU writes: > >returned in true form. I probably won't try it, since I am a Mountain Dew >drinker, but I just might so's I can tell you what it's like, and make a >comparison to CLASSIC. > > Until the next taste test..... > > --_-stauffer ...Or until you reach the Mountain Dew Event Horizon, which occurs around 200 cans or so. (former) Mountain Dew drinker, -dave -- David Hsu (301) 454-1433 || -8798 || -8715 "I know no-thing!" -eneevax Communications & Signal Processing Laboratory / EE Systems Staff Systems Research Center, Bldg 093 / Engineering Computer Facility The University of Maryland -~- College Park, MD 20742 ARPA: hsu@eneevax.umd.edu UUCP: [seismo,allegra,rlgvax]!umcp-cs!eneevax!hsu "Electro-nuclear carburetion seems fine..."
victor@batcomputer.TN.CORNELL.EDU (Victor Balaban) (08/21/86)
>I believe that we will see the rise of a new class of hackers in the next >four or five years; hackers who don't know the feeling of staying up for >60 hours at a time propped up by six or eight liters of The Real Thing, >who know nothing about how it burned _just so_ going down your throat, >who will wonder why you maintain that hoarde of cans in your closet >that looks not so different from the stuff they drink everyday. >Because they won't remember. I think this must be part of some >conspiracy; did IBM secretly buy Coke Inc behind our backs? > There is hope in sight. There is a company in Rochester that makes Jolt Cola. It's motto is "all the sugar and twice the caffeine!". I've tried it, and in addition to getting you pretty wired it tastes great! Sort of like the Haagen Dasz of sodas. I think it will be marketed nationally pretty soon. -- Victor Balaban Beer. It's not just for breakfast anymore
gooley@uicsl.UUCP (08/22/86)
Has anybody noticed the change in diet Coke? (I'm a diabetic, so I can't have regular soft drinks.) When diet Coke first came out, it was absolutely the best diet cola -- positively addictive, and worlds above the competition. Not too sweet, not too cloying. If I remember correctly, when they switched to NutraSweet the taste changed marginally for the better. Then New Coke came along...and diet Coke changed as well. It acquired rather a sour, unpleasant taste...and *nobody* *said* *a* *word* *about* *it*. I'm not imagining things...
faigin@sdcrdcf.UUCP (Daniel P Faigin) (08/22/86)
In article <406@hsi.UUCP> licsak@hsi.UUCP (Don Licsak) writes: > >I'm still a Coke drinker, but I've >begun to acquire a taste for RC Cola. Very similiar to original Coke. I happen to be allergic to corn. I used to drink a lot of (old) Coke, no problems. However, I have trouble with Coke Classic (the 2 l bottle used HFCS 98% of the time, the cans, 50%). RC Cola, on the other hand, does not used HFCS, rather, if you read the ingredients, it uses sugar. Maybe this is why it tastes closer to (old) Coke. Daniel -- UUCP: {akgua allegra ihnp4 hplabs sdcsvax trwrb cbosgd}!sdcrdcf!faigin ARPA: sdcrdcf!faigin@UCLA-LOCUS.ARPA --or-- sdcrdcf!faigin@LOCUS.UCLA.EDU W: System Development Corporation (-: A Sparroughs Company :-) 2525 Colorado MD 91-01; Santa Monica CA 90406; (213) 820-4111 x6393 H: 8333 Columbus Avenue #17; Sepulveda CA 91343; (818) 892-8555
hsu@eneevax.UUCP (Dave Hsu) (08/23/86)
In article <916@batcomputer.TN.CORNELL.EDU> victor@batcomputer.UUCP (Victor Balaban) writes: >There is hope in sight. There is a company in Rochester that makes Jolt >Cola. It's motto is "all the sugar and twice the caffeine!". I've tried >it, and in addition to getting you pretty wired it tastes great! Sort of >like the Haagen Dasz of sodas. I think it will be marketed nationally >pretty soon. >-- > Victor Balaban Haagen Dazs? Give me a break; while I'm still waiting for them to import one of those fabled Toscanini's to the DC area, perhaps I should point out that Maryland probably has more ice cream roots than any other region in the US. Not only do we have an abundance of high-quality (as opposed to high glitz) ice cream places, we have historical precedence - the first documented ice cream in the New World was eaten here. But wait...I digress. Yes, I've been hearing about this Jolt for some time. Yes, David Letterman didn't look completely insincere when he took a swig on the air and said "gee guys, let's do TWO shows tonight..." So, a bunch of us are still mulling over this grandiose plan of getting an 18-wheeler, booking up to Rochester, and cleaning Wegman's out of the stuff. Driving? No problem...the facilities director here was born to drive trucks. Better still if we can find Jolt's manufacturer. At this point, I probably should say a big "thank you" to Coke if they're out on the net somewhere, specifically to the Mid-Atlantic Coca-Cola Bottling Company, for the several dozen cases they donated to the staff of the 1986 Explorer Presidents' Association Congress. Thank you especially from us in the Shows Staff, which pulled enough allnighter specials to blow most of the cases away after the first few days. And a small request...next time, no Tab, okay? -dave -- David Hsu (301) 454-1433 || -8798 || -8715 "I know no-thing!" -eneevax Communications & Signal Processing Laboratory / EE Systems Staff Systems Research Center, Bldg 093 / Engineering Computer Facility The University of Maryland -~- College Park, MD 20742 ARPA: hsu@eneevax.umd.edu UUCP: [seismo,allegra,rlgvax]!umcp-cs!eneevax!hsu "Electro-nuclear carburetion seems fine..."
tbg@apollo.uucp (Tom Gross) (08/25/86)
One of the apparent differences in "new coke" was that they
stopped using real vanilla beans. The Wall Street Journal
had an article about this when new coke was introduced. Evidently
the world price for vanilla beans dropped dramatically, presumably
coca-cola stopped buying them. the economy of Madagascar was
severely affected. I haven't been following all the new coke
discussions here lately but it may be that coca-cola has stopped
using real vanilla in "classic" coke. somebody could check the
price of vanilla beans over the past year. if they haven't recovered
then probably coca-cola doesn't buy them anymore.
for the record, I drink diet coke.
/tomtainter@ihlpg.UUCP (Tainter) (08/25/86)
> I think this must be part of some > conspiracy; did IBM secretly buy Coke Inc behind our backs? > -dave International Coke and Business Machines? Little ICBMs all over the place? --j.a.tainter
bjr@alliant.UUCP (Josh Rosen) (08/27/86)
In article <332@encore.UUCP> corbin@encore.UUCP (Steve Corbin) writes: > > >Well, not to start up a big heated discussion or anything, but I have >bad news for those of you in netland who think that Coca-cola is still >producing coke. There not. They make classic and new coke. Not coke. > >I think that everyone agrees (except the Pepsi drinkers) that new coke is >terrible so I won't talk about new coke any more. >However, there is a clear difference in taste between coke and classic coke. >When Coca-cola announced they were changing the formula, I stocked up on > >These are my opinions of course (and my friends) and I am truly disappointed >that I can no longer but the best soda (soft drink, tonic) that ever was. > > >Sincerely, >Stephen Serrenho Corbin >Usenet {ihnp4, allegra, linus} ! encore ! corbin It is not possible to draw a conclusion about the formula of classic coke based on a taste test with year old real coke. There are two reasons for this, first the taste of coke changes with time and secondly the coca-cola bottlers have virtually no quality control. I have found that the taste of coke is radically different from plant to plant. Before the new coke fiasco the coke from the Needham, Ma. plant was undrinkable while the coke from the Northhampton, Ma. plant was fine although not as good as the coke bottled in Illinois (which comes in glass bottles, something that most New England bottlers have never heard of). After classic coke came back I noticed that Needham coke had lost it's polluted taste and now tasted normal. If nothing else the change over must have given them a chance to clean their equiptment, something they may never have done before.
lac3@mtuxo.UUCP (l.chesal) (08/27/86)
My theory on this whole business is that to streamline manufacturing, a formula for Coke and Diet Coke was devised that differed only in the sweetener; i.e. Nutrasweet (TM) vs. sugar and corn syrup. They probably couldn't use the old formula with the artificial sweetener for some reason. BTW ---- Coca-cola has never been as good as when you got it in those little (6 1/2 oz ?) green glass bottles with cork-lined caps! My mom was addicted to the stuff.
klick@ihuxa.UUCP (Vickie Klick) (08/27/86)
> In article <916@batcomputer.TN.CORNELL.EDU> victor@batcomputer.UUCP (Victor Balaban) writes: > >There is hope in sight. There is a company in Rochester that makes Jolt > >Cola. It's motto is "all the sugar and twice the caffeine!". I've tried > >it, and in addition to getting you pretty wired it tastes great! Sort of > >like the Haagen Dasz of sodas. I think it will be marketed nationally > >pretty soon. > >-- Jolt is being sold in the Chicago area by Jewel Food Stores and Osco Drug Stores (at least). It's listed on register tapes as "CANF JOLT" (or something similar, so I assume the Canfield's soda company in Chicago has picked it up. I bought a six-pack, and my husband, my brother-in-law, and I tried it. We were disappointed - we expected "all the sugar and twice the caffeine" to have more of an old-Coke style bite to it. Oh well... As far as the old Coke<>Coke Classic debate goes, my husband was an old Coke addict of long standing. He can't stand Coke Classic... Vickie Klick AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, IL ...ihnp4!ihuxa!klick
iws@rayssdb.UUCP (Ihor W. Slabicky) (09/04/86)
> As far as the old Coke<>Coke Classic debate goes, my husband was an old Coke > addict of long standing. He can't stand Coke Classic... > Vickie Klick AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, IL > ...ihnp4!ihuxa!klick Hey now, wait a minute! I thought that old Coke = Coke Classic. Now you are saying that they are NOT THE SAME!?!? WTFIGO? You mean there was Coke, which was replaced by new Coke, but since new Coke tasted so bad, Coke Classic was added but Coke Classic is not the same as the original Coke even though Coca-Cola said it was?! (by the way - if someone would send me a can of Jolt Cola, I'd appreciate it - it could even be empty!) (by the way - does anyone here collect old soda pop bottles?) ... {allegra, gatech, ihnp4, linus, raybed2} !rayssd!rayssdb!iws Ihor Slabicky MS 171 * Raytheon Company * Submarine Signal Division P.O. Box 360 * Portsmouth, RI 02871-0360 * (401) 847-8000 ext. 5684 1234567890 !#$%^&*()_-+={[}]~`:;"'|\<,>.?/ 0987654321
hoffman@hdsvx1.UUCP (09/05/86)
[Net.games.trivia readers may skip to the last paragraph.] Ihor Slabicky writes: > Hey now, wait a minute! I thought that old Coke = Coke Classic. > Now you are saying that they are NOT THE SAME!?!? WTFIGO? Coke spokespeople stated at the time of the New Coke debacle that the formula for Coke has changed *hundreds* of times since the "original," starting with the omission of cocaine (I understand that they still use "spent" coca leaves, and that the disposal of the cocaine resulting from the removal effort poses a considerable problem -- anyone have more info?), and that there had been several formula changes in the years prior to New Coke. Other people have pointed out that the taste of Coke varies considerable from bottler to bottler, as anyone who has ever had Coke in Europe or Mexico can tell you. New Coke was a formula that was aimed at capturing a different market. When it failed so spectacularly, they reverted to another formula that was more similar to "old" Coke, but probably retained some of the properties of New Coke in terms of being cheaper to make and not quite so sweet. But who knows? Who cares? IT'S JUST A SOFT DRINK, RIGHT? I gave up on Coke when they bought Taylor Wines, announcing their intention to control the entire beverage market. People with such grand ambitions are not very likely to pay attention to the integrity of a single product. On a slightly different subject -- I recently saw one of those old-timey Coke advertisements that they've been putting on mirrors lately, and on it was a picture of a demure young Gibson Girl who had just had a dainty sip of Coke and was sitting there with a spaced out, cocaine rush kind of look on her face. On the table is a scrap of paper with the words "Good to the Last Drop." I remember this as the old Maxwell House slogan. [In _Never_Give_a_Sucker_an_Even_break_, W.C. Fields, falling from an airplane, wishes for a "Maxwell parachute," because it's good to the last drop.] Was this ever officially the Coke slogan? When did Maxwell start using it? -- Richard Hoffman | "Oh life is a wonderful cycle of song, Schlumberger Well Services | A medley of extemporanea. hoffman%hdsvx1@slb-doll.csnet | And Love is a thing that can never go wrong PO Box 2175, Houston, TX 77252 | ... And I am Marie of Roumania." --D. PARKER
iws@rayssdb.UUCP (Ihor W. Slabicky) (09/05/86)
> Sender: iws@rayssdb.UUCP (Ihor W. Slabicky @ Raytheon Co., Portsmouth RI) > (by the way - if someone would send me a can of Jolt Cola, I'd appreciate > it - it could even be empty!) Forget the Jolt Cola - Star Market in Middletown has it for $1.29/2 liters. Yes, it is the 'adult cola', and it is distributed by Jolt of Rochester, NY. Why does Star have it? Because it distributes a lot of products handled by Jewel, the same ones who introduced Jolt Cola to Chi-town.
daver@sci.UUCP (09/08/86)
I've noticed that Classic Coke now uses high fructose corn sweeteners. As far as i remember, old Coke used sugar. The new old coke seems to taste more of corn syrup than the old old coke. There was an article in Science News a month or so ago describing some rather interesting experiments using high-fructose corn sweeteners. Seems they were feeding pigs this junk to see how good for pigs it was. They had to call off the experiment prematurely, as all the test group developed heart problems. Now, pigs are used in these experiments because a pig's digestive system is remarkably close to a humans. Anyway, has any pop manufacturer stopped using high-fructose corn sweeteners as a result of this experiment? david rickel cae780!weitek!sci!daver
iws@rayssdb.UUCP (Ihor W. Slabicky) (09/09/86)
Hello Coca-Cola lovers,
Yes, you are right about the taste of Coke/New Coke/Classic Coke.
Let me paraphrase from a Washington Post article that appeared in
the Hartford Courant of Sept. 7, 1986: "Coke 'The Real Thing'?
Well, Classic Not Quite".
Classic Coke is not neccesarily "the real thing," two Houston
scientists have found. Laboratory analyses showed that Classic
Coke's formula is not always the same as that of "old Coke" tested
by the scientists. The difference is the type of sugar used to
sweeten the beverage. The laboratory analyses, reported in the
British scientific journal Nature, suggest why. Old Coke, tested
in 1983, was 3.3 percent fructose, 2.9 percent glucose, and 4.7
percent sucrose. Classic Coke was 6.3 percent fructose and 4.6
percent glucose, with no sucrose. The scientists called this
"transition Coke." New Coke uses the same two sugars but in
concentrations about 10 percent higher. The Classic Coke appeared
to be a reversion to the two sugar formula of "transition Coke"
which was on the market only a few months, and not a genuine
revival of the earlier three sugar formula. Each kind of sugar,
although sweet, is chemically distinct and has its own flavor
nuances. A spokesman for Coca-Cola said Coke's formula has
changed through the years and that the choice of sugars, once
strictly specified by the company, is now largely left to
local bottlers. The parent company supplies only a syrup
consisting of a "secret formula" mixture of flavoring and
coloring agents. When first sold, the only allowed sweetener
was cane sugar, which is sucrose. In 1940, the company gave
bottlers the option of substituting beet sugar, also sucrose.
In 1980 bottlers were offered a third option. They could omit
some sucrose and substitute with "high fructose corn syrup,"
which is a mixture of fructose and glucose. Finally, in
November 1984, bottlers were allowed to use 100 percent corn
syrup if they wanted.
-well, that's it, folks. Thanks for the mail!
... {allegra, gatech, ihnp4, linus, raybed2} !rayssd!rayssdb!iws
Ihor Slabicky MS 171 * Raytheon Company * Submarine Signal Division
P.O. Box 360 * Portsmouth, RI 02871-0360 * (401) 847-8000 ext. 5684
1234567890 !#$%^&*()_-+={[}]~`:;"'|\<,>.?/ 0987654321gilmore@trwrb.UUCP (Larry A. Gilmore) (09/11/86)
At least in the late 40s, the only use I had ever heard of
"good to the last drop" was indeed the Maxwell House coffee
commercials.dave@cylixb.UUCP (Dave Kirby) (09/12/86)
>(by the way - if someone would send me a can of Jolt Cola, I'd appreciate >it - it could even be empty!) If it were empty, it wouldn't be a can of Jolt Cola. (More captious carping from me, your network nitpicker...) >(by the way - does anyone here collect old soda pop bottles?) I have a small collection myself, actually. Most of the bottles were gleaned from beneath my grandparents' house. Once my parents lived in an old house in Dawson, Georgia; in the chicken pen (or perhaps they were slave quarters :-) there were some ancient bottles of Coca-Cola with the ORIGINAL SYRUP still in them! Alas, they moved away and abandoned the bottles before I could get home from college and lay my hands on them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Kirby ( ...!ihnp4!akgua!cylixd!cylixb!dave)
marty@ism780c.UUCP (Marty Smith) (09/12/86)
In article <222@sci.UUCP> daver@sci.UUCP (Dave Rickel) writes: >Anyway, has any pop manufacturer stopped using high-fructose corn sweeteners >as a result of this experiment? > I think corn is sweet enough as it is, and I believe the use of corn sweeteners is nothing but a diversion. Marty Smith