[net.micro.cbm] How good is speech synth. on C64?

russell@ihuxu.UUCP (Larry Russell) (12/02/84)

I would not think that the SID chip has sufficient filtering capability
to synthesize recognizable speech.
There is, however, a speech synthesis board available (at Toys 'R' Us
among other places) which I have not actually heard myself
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				Larry Russell
				AT&T-Bell Laboratories
				Naperville, IL
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wjr@utcs.UUCP (William Rucklidge) (12/04/84)

> I would not think that the SID chip has sufficient filtering capability
> to synthesize recognizable speech.

On the contrary, the SAM speech synthesizer program produces easily
recognizable speech using only the SID chip. It does turn the VIC chip off
while speaking, to eliminate processor freezes, but this can be disabled and
the voice quality deteriorates only marginally.

The program requires no extra hardware and takes up a small amount of BASIC
memory, and adds a few new commands to BABASIC, notably "SAY".
Text to be spoken can be written either as phonetics,`or as normal English
spelling (with the "Reciter" loaded), and SAM does its best (quite good) to
pronounce English's irrational spelling system.

The voice's tone, speed and quality can be changed easily - there is even a
demonstration program that sings "The Star Spangled Banner" (atrociously, but
the tune and words are fairly clear), and recites several well-known speeches.

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ma175xby@sdcc3.UUCP ({|stu) (12/05/84)

> I would not think that the SID chip has sufficient filtering capability
> to synthesize recognizable speech.
> There is, however, a speech synthesis board available (at Toys 'R' Us
> among other places) which I have not actually heard myself
> -- 
> 
> 				Larry Russell
> 				AT&T-Bell Laboratories
> 				Naperville, IL
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     I've heard quite understandable speech on the c-64 without any additional
hardware though I do not remember the name of the package.  I have the 
Magic Voice module put out by commodore and it sounds quite nice.  It
features a female voice.  Some drawbacks are that it has a limited
vocabulary of about 200 words and the mystery of programming more
words has yet to be discovered.
 
                                Matt Buse
				UCSD

spencer@garfield.UUCP (Spencer Barnes) (12/06/84)

> I would not think that the SID chip has sufficient filtering capability
> to synthesize recognizable speech.
> There is, however, a speech synthesis board available (at Toys 'R' Us
> among other places) which I have not actually heard myself
> -- 
> 
> 				Larry Russell
> 				AT&T-Bell Laboratories
> 				Naperville, IL
> 				ihnp4!ihuxu!russell

I can think of one trivial example off hand. A newly released game (at least in
this area) called GHOSTBUSTERS has a reasonably recognizable synthesis of one
word.....		THATS RIGHT, YOU GUESSED IT, IT'S GHOSTBUSTERS!!!

 While I haven't fully figured out how they did it yet, the basis seems to be
precise adjustments to the white noise voice. Anybody with a better handle
on the method pls let me know, 'cause, if "they" can do it, WE CAN TOO!!


		Spencer (WHO YA GONNA CALL) Barnes.

mab@druxp.UUCP (BlandMA) (12/06/84)

> A newly released game (at least in
> this area) called GHOSTBUSTERS has a reasonably recognizable synthesis of one
> word.....		THATS RIGHT, YOU GUESSED IT, IT'S GHOSTBUSTERS!!!
> 
> While I haven't fully figured out how they did it yet, the basis seems to be
> precise adjustments to the white noise voice. Anybody with a better handle
> on the method pls let me know, 'cause, if "they" can do it, WE CAN TOO!!

The noise waveform should be able to generate most all of the
non-vocal phonemes (s, t, k, ch, ...).  'k' is easy - use low attack
and decay values, maybe 0 for attack and 2 or 3 for decay.
An 's' probably would have an attack of 2 or 3 (I'm guessing at these
values, since I'm not near my 64 right now).  If you're not into
POKES, it's fairly easy to experiment with the SID values using
the music programs that are on the market.

I was able to make a human-sounding 'b' sound the other night using
the triangle waveform and a filter.  Seems like it was something like
attack 3, decay 4 or 5, low sustain, low pass filter on, and the cutoff
frequency was somewhere around 1500-2000.  The frequency of the note
was in one of the middle octaves.  As the frequency changes, the
cutoff frequency also has to change.  I'm still new at figuring out how
the filters work, but in this case, the filter is what makes the attack
sound like a human-like 'b' rather than just a synthesized music note.

Now I'm getting curious.  When the Ghostbusters bass line music was
posted last week, I went home and put it on my 64.  Now it looks like
I'm going to have to add speech to it.  If I'm successful, I'll post
something, but don't hold your breath waiting.
-- 
Alan Bland
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AT&T Information Systems Labs, Denver

dave@zinfandel.UUCP (12/15/84)

Actually, SID *can* produce very good speech.  I base my judgement on a
product called S.A.M (Software Automatic Mouth).  It uses allophones, or
you can just type in regular English and SAM will make some assumptions.
You can also control inflection.  It's amazing how inflection can improve
the quality of speech -- no more 'monotone'.  Questions even sound like
questions.

I was impressed with it, especially since it is 100% software.  I think
it sells for about $45 or so, depending on where you look.  Most of the
mail order houses carry it.



Dave Funk
Zehntel, Inc.
2625 Shadelands Drive
Walnut Creek, CA  92598
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engle@loral.UUCP (Jack Engle) (12/18/84)

> Actually, SID *can* produce very good speech.  I base my judgement on a
> product called S.A.M (Software Automatic Mouth).  It uses allophones, or
> you can just type in regular English and SAM will make some assumptions.
> You can also control inflection.  It's amazing how inflection can improve
> the quality of speech -- no more 'monotone'.  Questions even sound like
> questions.
> 
> I was impressed with it, especially since it is 100% software.  I think
> it sells for about $45 or so, depending on where you look.  Most of the
> mail order houses carry it.
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Funk
> Zehntel, Inc.
> 2625 Shadelands Drive
> Walnut Creek, CA  92598
> (415) 932-6900 x309
> 
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