mcphee@cavell.UUCP (Scott Mcphee) (08/15/86)
I am looking for a high quality mouse for the C64. I don't want to settle for a "mouse" that sends back joystick-like signals. Is there a mouse on the market that can be hooked up to the C64 to give proportional feedback? Where can I get it? Scott McPhee.
porter@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Jeff Porter) (08/18/86)
> I am looking for a high quality mouse for the C64. > I don't want to settle for a "mouse" that sends back joystick-like > signals. Is there a mouse on the market that can be hooked up to > the C64 to give proportional feedback? Where can I get it? > > Scott McPhee. Commodore is updating the 1350 mouse with the 1351 mouse this fall. This mouse emulates both a joystick and paddels (ie: POTX, POTY) and, with the right software interface, is VERY nice. The only software currently with this interface is GEOS. (just released) Should be available this Fall. Jeff Porter Commodore Engineering
fred@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Fred Bowen) (08/19/86)
> > I am looking for a high quality mouse for the C64. > > I don't want to settle for a "mouse" that sends back joystick-like > > signals. Is there a mouse on the market that can be hooked up to > > the C64 to give proportional feedback? Where can I get it? > > > > Scott McPhee. > > Commodore is updating the 1350 mouse with the 1351 mouse this fall. > This mouse emulates both a joystick and paddels (ie: POTX, POTY) > and, with the right software interface, is VERY nice. The only > software currently with this interface is GEOS. (just released) > > Should be available this Fall. > > Jeff Porter > Commodore Engineering ACK! I mean NAK! The new 1351 mouse does indeed have 2 modes (seems everything we make these days has at least two modes!) but to describe them as joystick and paddle mode will not win you any favors (especially from the 1351's innovator, who fortunately does not read net.anything). The 1351 mouse has two quadrature inputs for both X and Y, which internal logic converts to direction and movement signals. The 1351 interfaces to the system in two ways, 'joystick' and 'proportional', selected by the user when the mouse is plugged in (i.e., powered up). In joystick mode, any mouse movement is converted ino a pulse on one of four output lines, corresponding to UP, DOWN, RIGHT, or LEFT. It looks just like a 1350 to the system, which is to say it looks just like a joystick with an extra button (hangs on a POT line). The second operating mode is proportional (or true mouse) mode. While this interface utilizes the POTX and POTY lines, it looks nothing like a paddle. 6-bit counters track the change in mouse position modulo 64, counting up or down based on the transitions of the quadrature inputs. This information is passed to the system by playing some very stange but wonderful games with the POT lines. The upshot of the whole thing is virtually no system overhead for monitoring the mouse, yet the smooth, natural feel we all expect from a mouse. No baloney here- it's a *real* mouse for the 64/128. Don't call it a paddle! -- Fred Bowen uucp: {ihnp4|seismo|caip}!cbmvax!fred arpa: cbmvax!fred@seismo.CSS.GOV tele: 215 431-9100 Commodore Electronics, Ltd., 1200 Wilson Drive, West Chester, PA, 19380