[net.pets] Please neuter, don't declaw

molter@eosp1.UUCP (Larry Molter) (03/27/84)

I agree wholeheartedly on all accounts. I had our female
spayed as soon as she was old enough: I didn't want a litter
of kittens, nor did I want a howling queen. And, contrary
to popular opinion, spaying does no psychological harm to the 
kitten: They don't miss having the sex drive.

Our male was castrated when he was seven months old (the minimum
age required by the vet). Before the operation, he was cool
to humans, roamed more than we would have liked, and was developing
*very* pungent urine. Now, two months later, he has become much more
affectionate (he seems to be a different cat sometimes), and stays
close to home.

What irks me about cat population control are the people that
complain about the costs of the operations. I find no basis
for that argument. The spay cost us $35 and that included a stay
overnight at the vet. The castration was performed during
clinic hours and cost about $25. At these prices, I considered
it a bargain.

Now, on to the issue of declawing.

Both of our cats are not declawed, spend a lot of the time
in the house, and have done minimal damage to the furnishings.
Some scratches are to be expected. A cat owner has to be understanding
of the cat's need to pull and scratch.

We've had good luck with a scratching post, at least as far as
our female cat goes - she runs to it whenever she has the urge.
The male is a different story: He'll pull the rug DIRECTLY IN FRONT
OF THE POST! Well, it's a crappy rug anyway.

It's selfish people that have their cats declawed. They don't want
to have to deal with the pulls and scratch marks. Well, there are
pet repellants that DO work. We use it with good results.

Talk about selfishness, let me relate a story (short) involving
a co-worker and her new kitten -

It seems that her new arrival is a devil. It claws up everything
but it especially likes the grills of her NEW speakers. So...
it is decided that it's claws have to be removed. But not just
the front ones - the REAR claws have to go to! And you know why?
Because "when we play, I get all scratched up.". Do you believe
it? Doesn't this person realize (and she doesn't - I've asked)
that the poor cat needs its rear claws for scratching itself
(you know, if it has an itch?). As a result of this issue,
I am not on good terms with this alleged "cat lover".


	Larry

annej@hammer.UUCP (Anne Jacko) (04/09/84)

I play with my adult female cat with my hands.  I also use my hands
to show affection for her.  How I avoid being scratched:  She always
play with claws in.  When she doesn't want to play, or is feeling
sensitive about me touching her tummy, she gives me a signal.
She uses all four feet (claws in) to grad my hand  and "bites" it 
(without actually using her teeth).  This means that she considers the
game over. However, I can immediately switch to petting her without danger
of being scratched as long as I am gentle.  I would assume this kind
of communication only develops over years of living with an animal.

I like the suggestion of using the toy to play.  That way your cat
could really put her heart and claws into the game.

-- Anne Jacko, Tektronix

debra@hp-pcd.UUCP (04/13/84)

I read with interest your message and was shocked to read that your
co-worker declawed her cat because she said that "when we play, I
get all scratched up".  This type of situation can be avoided without
such drastic measures if an owner will only train HIMSELF regarding
his interaction with the cat (and possibly any pet for that matter).

I was always impressed by cats that my wise old Uncle Harold owned
because they were affectionate and loving with people and wouldn't
ever bite or scratch when you held out your hand to pet them.  This
mellow behavior was not just due to the cat's temperment, he said,
it also had to do with how well trained the cat's owner was.  I
questioned him about what he meant and he let me in on the secret
to achieving this behavior in my cats (and I thought other people
might be interested in hearing about it too).  

His method was to NEVER, NEVER play with a cat by using your HANDS.
If you do this your cat will learn that HANDS mean PLAYTIME and they
aren't able to distinguish playtime from the times that you want to
give them affection and love.  ALWAYS, ALWAYS use a TOY when you play
with your cat.  Then the cat will equate toys with playtime, and when
you reach out with your hands they will know you want to be affectionate
with them.  This seemed to be a very simple technique and since that
time, whenever I have gotten a new kitten I have followed his advice.
So far, I have owned three cats that I have raised in this manner
(beginning when they were kittens) and not one has ever scratched me,
nor have they scratched and attacked my guests, when people have
reached out to touch them.

I don't know if this technique will work to de-train a mature cat who
has already learned this behavior, but it might be worthwhile to try
before you go to such drastic lengths as having them declawed because
of your own folly.

If anyone has any similar techniques, I wouldn't mind reading about
them.


Debra