[net.pets] Turtles/tortoises and PETty questions...

daemon@decwrl.UUCP (The devil himself) (04/17/85)

[ paraphrasing ]

>> Actually I'd like some information on the diseases and the outlawing of
>> sales...

I will supply the official "reply" later when I go home and look it up, but
for now, here is a general paraphrased answer;

"There was a salamanella (spelling?) scare a few years ago concerning baby
 turtles.  Salamanella can be found in larger adult turtles, but only in
 about 1/1000 percent.  However, the young hatchlings have a MUCH higher
 rate, although the conveyance of this disease to humans is VERY RARE and
 can also be communicated through horses, and other animals.  Due to the
 scare, many of the hatchlings were flushed down toilets, thrown out in
 ponds, etc.
 
 These hatchlings were baby red-eared sliders, and MILLIONS were hatched
 and sold out of Lousianna yearly.  This was also causing a problem with
 the future generations of this species.

 Due to this fact, nearly every state has a law mandating that turtles
 (and tortoises, not out of necessity, but out of inclusiveness), be
 at least 3, 4, or 5 inches long.  This ensures that the hatchlings are
 not stripped from their habitat, ensures the future generations of the
 red-eared slider (and other species), and also virtually eliminates any
 threat of salamanella.

 Also it should be noted, that since the turtles sold in stores are usally
 "raised/groomed" on "farms", they are usually quite healthy, and are not
 only if improperly treated during captivity in the pet store."

 In Mass., the law is 4 inches.  However, since some states have a 3 inch law,
 you may be able to find smaller turtles (in your state, smaller than the
 legal limit, if the legal limit is above 3''), as the breeders just send
 them out, regardless of the laws, with a 3'' minimum.

 Just fyi... I called many pet stores in the state, and finally found one
 who told me "I'm not sure of the shell size, but they're the smallest I've
 seen".  I checked it out, and I found a red-eared slider whose shell did
 measure just barely above 3''.  This turtle happens to be the most responsive
 one I've ever owned.  After only four days of owning, I can almost feed it
 out of hand (it waits just below the water until I drop the food).  Most
 
 I also bought a damn fine book (publisher etc. coming later) that answered
 a lot of my questions.  However I'm still enjoying/learning from the mail
 everyone is sending me.

 One final question:

 o The book describes a cloacal opening used to determine sex.  Can anyone 
   help me with hints or information on sexing? ;-)

						-Roy J. Karlson-

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