[net.micro.cpm] 2400 baud modems

Keith Petersen <W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA> (12/20/84)

This is file 2400BAUD.TXT - relayed from the RCPM circuit:
--Keith

From:  Wayne Masters, Potpourri sysop
       (408) 378-7474 300/1200/2400 baud
       San Jose, Ca.

Subject: New 2400 baud modems         8/19/84

       Many of you have asked technical questions about the 2400 baud
modems now on the market (and more being introduced monthly).  As most
of you know by now Irv Hoff and I have been beta testing 2400 baud for
several months.  The test results are amazing to say the least.  Running
controlled tests on standard dial-up phone lines with random "noisy
connections", the number of "hits" on a given file transfer is less by
a factor of 10 using 2400 baud vs 1200 baud.  So it is concluded that
2400 baud technology is working and will soon be available on most
commercial and private dial-up systems.  Now, what is a "standard" 2400
baud modem?  

       You will no doubt see various technical descriptions of a given
2400 baud modem touting it's features.  Be sure the modem you choose has
this specification:

       CCITT recommendation for a V.22 bis modem communicating at 2400 bps.

       Further explanation of this CCITT standard:
Frequency- Bell 212A
Encoding modulation-  16 level psk  (quadrature AM or QAM)

       This sounds a lot like the Bell 212A standard for 1200 baud--and it
is.  The difference is in the encoding or modulation scheme.  Bell 212A 1200
baud uses 4 level psk and 2400 baud uses 16 level psk.  If you "listen" to
the 2400 baud carrier it will sound exactly like the familiar 1200/212A-
like "static" or a scratchy noise.

       Features to look for in your search for the "right" 2400 baud modem:

1.  Does it retain 300 baud bell 103 capability?  (most offer 1200 baud as
    a "fallback")
2.  Is it "smart"--a biggy if you intend to call other systems a lot.
3.  Does it offer autoanswer--a biggy if you run a remote system.
4.  Price--a real biggy

       So far, none of the modems on the market offer all these features
in a "standalone" modem.  That is one big reason why Irv Hoff and I have
been involved with Racal-Vadic--not only beta testing to prove 2400 baud
technology...but to get the features most users prefer designed into the
modem.  Others may follow some day but Racal Vadic will introduce their
"standalone" modem in time for Christmas 84 with the following features:

1.  Smart-autodialing.  It will recognize both the Hayes and Vadic commands.
2.  0-300 baud at both Bell 103 and Vadic protocols
3.  1200 baud at both Bell 212A and Vadic protocols
4.  2400 baud CCITT V.22 bis
5.  Price is expected to be $695.00 retail

      The first release will be an external RS-232 model.  Early 1985 will
see the single card slot version for IBM PC's and compatiables.

       In order for 2400 baud to be in "great demand" there must be systems
available for the users to access.  I am working with Racal-Vadic to 
identify RCP/M and RBBS systems where 2400 baud modems could be placed to
generate public interest in 2400 baud.  Sysop's should contact Potpourri
at 408-378-7474 if interested in participating.

       Now about software to support 2400 baud.

       Both MDM7 and MEX will support 2400 baud if the user modifies his
port overlay to setup his port for 2400 baud.

       For sysops who use BYE3, the problem is different.  Most 
implementations of BYE rely on the hardware's Data Available signal (DAV)
to trigger a check-for-carriage-return sequence at different baud rates.
If most hardware is like mine (Z80 SIO), if the hardware is set to look
at 300 baud and the modem answers at 2400 baud the DAV is never set and
you are in an endless loop.  Same thing happens if you set the hardware
to 2400 and the modem answers at 300.
       I modified BYE3 (version 26 and up) to handle TSTBAUD differently.
I chose to look at each baud rate in 2 second windows, 300 first, then
1200 and 2400, and loop thru this sequence until a C/R or L/F is detected.
The caller is never more than 4 seconds away from his calling speed but
must continue to issue c/r's until the familiar message "Nulls, if needed"
is displayed.  Sysop's who choose to use BYE3 need only add the "SET2400"
code into their port insert. 

       Well, enough for now.  Feel free to contact me if you are more
confused now than you were before reading this.

                     -wayne masters, Potpourri sysop-
                            408-378-7474

bruce%cmcl2.uucp@Seismo.ARPA (12/27/84)

For those of you in the market to buy 2400 baud modems I want to
inform you of a great deal.  I would like to state that I am not
affiliated with ANY of these companies, and I am not receiving and
benefits by posting this information!

After spending a few days pricing modems I have compiled the following
information (saving the best for last).  If anyone has any additional
information I would greatly appreciate it.

We were interested in rack mounting them so most of the prices given
are for cards that would plug into a rack.  "box" refers to a stand
alone modem.

DEC     1 - (800) 962 - 3244

now     DF112-AM        300/1200        card    $ 506
now     DF126-AM        2400 only       card    $ 634


Racal Vadic     1 - (800) 482 - 3427

now     VA212PAR        300/1200        card    $ 445
3/85    VA4224          1200/2400       card    $ 740
now     VA1681          houses 16       rack    $ not priced yet


Concord Data Systems    (617) 890 - 1394
                                                                Q10-24
now     CDS224 AA/ORG   1200/2400       box/card$ 845           $ 825
now     CDS224 Autodial 1200/2400          "    $ 995           $ 975
now     CDS224 ARQ      1200/2400          "    $1295
now     CDS224 ARQ Auto 1200/2400          "    $1395
now     CDS224 Super    1200/2400          "    $1695
now     CDSRM-07A       houses 7        rack    $ 750


Hayes   1 - (800) 241 - 6492

now     Hayes1200       300/1200        box/card$ 499
2/85    Hayes2400       300/1200/2400   box/card$ none
now     08-00056        houses 6        rack    $ 766

Quantity Discounts are minimal.


Micom   1 - (800) 527 - 0204
                                                                Q >16
now     M3012           300/1200        box     $ 495
now     M3012 plus      300/1200        box     $ 595
1/85    M3024           1200/2400       box     $ 795
1/85    M3024 plus      1200/2400       box     $ 895           $ 805
  "        "                "           card    $ 845           $ 760
now     M3200           houses 16       rack    $ 750


General Datacomm                (203) 574 - 1118
                                                                Q 10 - 19
now     DC211AL         300/1200        box     $ 675           $ 595
 "         "                "           card    $ 585           $ 520
1/85    DC2412          1200/2400       box     $1195           $1050
 "         "                "           card    $1105           $ 790
 "      DS1             houses 16       rack    $ 795

Paradyne        1 - (800) 482 - 3333 or 1 - (800) 342 - 3532

now     DTU1200D        300/1200                $
now                     1200/2400               $ 900


NEC     1 - (800) 538 - 8166
                                                                Q 11 -20
now     N212BRL         300/1200        box     $ 795           $ 669
 "         "                "           card    $ 725           $ 606
 "      DSP2430         1200/2400       box     $1095           $ 976
 "         "                "           card    $ 965           $ 855
 "      N4083           houses 8 - 1200 rack    $ 625
 "      SR0801          houses 8 - 2400 rack    $ 900


QUADRAM         (404) 923 - 6666
                                                        Q > 3
now     QM10000         300/1200                $ 695           $ 625
not available           ?/2400                  $ 

NO Rack mounting.


Ven-Tel         1 - (800) 538 - 5121
Will Call me back.

                        300/1200                $
                        ?/2400                  $


Promethus       (415) 490 - 2370        (check 800)
        Distributor:
Will call me back.

                        300/1200                $
                        ?/2400                  $


Fujitsu         (408) 946 - 8777        ext 576

not available           300/1200                $
now     F1935B          1200/2400               $ 895

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CTS Datacomm    (203) 743 - 3681        Pete Coccaro
        Distributor:    Professional Network Services
                        Harvey Schlesinger      (617) 449 - 6460

Model:  CTS2424AD

These people had by far the best deal.
The list price for the Stand Alone (box) modem is  $ 795
The list price for the (rack) mounted modem is ~$ 700.

Besides starting off $ 200 less than everyone else their
quantity discounts are very good.  The Stand Alone modem
will be available starting January, and their rack mount
modem should be available February.

Here is a Quantity discount price list.

Quantity	%dicount	S.A.	rack
========	========	====	====
    1		   list		$795	$700
  2-5		   10 %		 716	 630
  6-10		   20 %		 636	 560
 11-25		   25 %		 596	 525
 25-		   30 %		 556	 490

For all of you usenet sites that are still running 1200
(or possibly even 300) the modems will pay for themselves
very quickly.

From all of the literature that I have recieved here are
a few of the advantages of this modem above the others:

1) works at 300 or 1200 or 2400 asyn	(others only 1200/2400)
		   1200 or 2400 sync

2) Stores 10 numbers (40 chars each)	(others only 1)

3) For tone dialing it dials ALL 12	(others only can generate 
   tones including (* and #)		 numbers 0-9)

   This last one caused a nasty problem when we needed to
   generate the extra tones because some of the sites we talk to
   have switching systems that require them (Gandalf).

4) Will automatically change the speed   (some of the others needed
   to the other modem.			 a manual intervention).

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usenet:  {philabs, allegra}!sbcs!bruce			Bruce Factor

mdg@ariel.UUCP (M.GALE) (12/28/84)

Please note at the beginning that this is coming from an account
on an AT&T computer.
<Reach out and byte someone...>
Just wanted to point out that in the recent summeries of 
modems available people seem to be missing a major manufacturer
of modems -- A T & T.

Check it out with an A T & T - I S sales rep. They've got 
1200/2400 standalone and rackmount systems. And you don't
call it the Bell 212 standard for nothing.

Please note that I do not work in that department and know 
only the basics concerning such hardware i.e. it exists.

I am not an employee nor an authorized representative of
any part of AT&T, I only help solve problems for them on
a contract basis. To think that my opinions are those of
the company is ludicrous.

Michael D. Gale
"I just like blinking lights-the DECsystem 10 operator's panel
	is a work of art" blink-blink-blink-burnout-blink