[net.micro.cpm] Bitnet and Arpanet

GUBBINS@RADC-TOPS20.ARPA (Gern) (08/28/85)

BITnet is a store and forward 'mailnet'.  I do not know of the design
configuration, but it may very well be like USENET, which is a 1200
baud dial-the-next-computer-down-the-line-and-ram-the-messages-to-it.
The systems may be hardwired together.  Anyhow, a LOT of colleges and
universities are (almost overnight) now on it and they can all send
user mail to/from each other.   The farthest I have seen BITnet go
is to a medical school in Germany.

The DDN (ArpaNet/MilNet) 'feeder' is a host called WISCVM.ARPA that
is both on the DDN and BITnet which acts as a mail gateway.

The problem with BITnet and the other mailnets is that it is ONLY
a mail message system.  The mailnetters constantly want to know
how to access/FTP (DDN/INTERNET TCP/IP Host-to-host File Transfer)/etc
like they read about the DDNers cross logging into other systems
(TELNET) and transfering files from the public domain program 
directories and such.  It can't be done.   Mailing the programs
is greatly frowned apon also due to the loading it causes on the
mailnets.

Well, I hope this info might be what you are looking for.

Cheers,
Gern
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edelheit@MITRE.ARPA (Jeff Edelheit) (08/29/85)

Hal - Bitnet is a service of EDUCOM.  Bitnet, CSNET and one or two others
are all services of EDUCOM.  If I remember correctly, all of the EDUCOM
net services are based on RSCS (IBM for Remote spooling....(?)).  There is
a gateway between CSNET and Arpanet (I believe it is at WISCVM or was
it CSNET-RELAY?)  A bitnet user cannot FTP or TELNET to an ARPA/Milnet host.
It is my understanding that it is just an email gateway.

If the resources the Bitnetter wants is the SIMTEL20 archives, depending on
what and how much they want, you may be able to "mail" it to them.  Otherwise,
Frank Wancho (Wancho@SIMTEL20) might generate one or more tapes.

Hope this helps.

Jeff Edelheit
(edelheit@mitre)

callen@ada-uts.UUCP (09/05/85)

>Hal - Bitnet is a service of EDUCOM.  Bitnet, CSNET and one or two others
>are all services of EDUCOM.  If I remember correctly, all of the EDUCOM

Huh? I used to be at a BITNET site (U of Chicago), and BITNET is pretty
much a home-rolled network based on IBM's NJE (Network Job Entry)
protocol, which VM/370 supports with a product called RSCS. Administration
is out of (I think) Columbia. Each site supplies a 9600 baud dedicated
to the nearest node already on the network and in turn agrees to allow
at least one other site to link to them. It is, in fact, a store and
forward system.You can, however, shuttle interactive commands around
the network, so TSO and CMS users can interactively talk to each other
(though it can be S L O W . . .).

There are at least 500 sites on BITNET, I think more. It is limited to
educational institutions. The name Ira Fuchs comes to me as the network
originator and administrator.