tom@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA (04/21/86)
Hi all, I'm looking for several peices of information: I'm starting a financial affairs/venture capitalists bulletin board at home; I am looking for good public domain bulletin board software for an APPLE IIe in both CPM and DOS or PRODOS. Any recommendations on regular (store bought) CPM or other bulletin board packages for the APPLE IIe would be appreciated; send ANY comments, advice, or experience trivia directly to me; I will summarize all to the nets. ANY person who has direct experience setting up or running a BB would be especially appreciated. PART II I was looking through a DAK catalog recently, and saw a MODEM PHONE (computer- ized yellow pages they called it). As part of the sales promo, they said they had the address of a company that sold a directory of hundreds of bulletin boards: does anyone know what this company is and how to find them?? Anyone having lists or directories of bulletin boards, or who knows of a good bulletin board - pleas write. Thanks a lot, Trevor O. McCarthy The MITRE Corporation
spm@mb2c.UUCP (Steve Mazurek) (04/25/86)
> > I was looking through a DAK catalog recently, and saw a MODEM PHONE (computer- > ized yellow pages they called it). As part of the sales promo, they said they > had the address of a company that sold a directory of hundreds of bulletin > boards: does anyone know what this company is and how to find them?? > > Anyone having lists or directories of bulletin boards, or who knows of a good > bulletin board - pleas write. > I just happen to have this information: DAK Industries Incorporated 8200 Remmet Ave., Canoga Park, CA 91304 Orders: (800) 325-0800 Steven P. Mazurek (whereever I am)
mc68020@gilbbs.UUCP (Tom Keller) (04/28/86)
In article <678@mb2c.UUCP>, spm@mb2c.UUCP (Steve Mazurek) writes: > > > > I was looking through a DAK catalog recently, and saw a MODEM PHONE (computer- > > ized yellow pages they called it). As part of the sales promo, they said they > > had the address of a company that sold a directory of hundreds of bulletin > > boards: does anyone know what this company is and how to find them?? > > > > Anyone having lists or directories of bulletin boards, or who knows of a good > > bulletin board - pleas write. > > > > I just happen to have this information: > > DAK Industries Incorporated > 8200 Remmet Ave., > Canoga Park, CA 91304 > > Orders: (800) 325-0800 > I know innumerable peole who have made purchases from DAK. In literally *EVERY* case, they have been thouroughly displeased with the products and the service offered by DAK. The company will not make any effort to correct problems, they will lie to you about schedules and anything else. Stay *AWAY* from them! -- Disclaimer: I hereby disclaim any and all responsibility for disclaimers. tom keller {ihnp4, dual}!ptsfa!gilbbs!mc68020 (* we may not be big, but we're small! *)
ables@mcc-pp.UUCP (King Ables) (04/29/86)
In article <209@gilbbs.UUCP>, mc68020@gilbbs.UUCP (Tom Keller) writes: > > I know innumerable peole who have made purchases from DAK. In literally > *EVERY* case, they have been thouroughly displeased with the products and the > service offered by DAK. The company will not make any effort to correct > problems, they will lie to you about schedules and anything else. > > Stay *AWAY* from them! This may be true for the people you know, but I've ordered 7 or 8 times from them and been *generally* pleased. The merchandise isn't HIGHEST quality, but it doesn't claim to be... it claims to be neat-o gee-whiz which it usually is. The one time I had a problem with something (I just didn't like it) I returned it and was sent a check very promptly. Given ANY mail-order place, a certain number of people are going to have trouble. The trick is figuring out if that number is a significantly large number. Maybe your friends have been extra-unlucky. Maybe I've been extra lucky. Hard to tell with just two examples. You might check with the BBB, usually they'll have something to say about any company that has had significant complaints made against it. Everyone I know who has dealt with DAK seems to think they're OK. -King ARPA: ables@mcc.arpa UUCP: {gatech,ihnp4,nbires,seismo,ucb-vax}!ut-sally!im4u!milano!mcc-pp!ables --- Specific disclaimer: I am *only* a happy DAK customer, nothing more. Generic disclaimer: Use only as directed, void where licensed or taxed.
ables@mcc-pp (04/30/86)
Subject: Re: BULLETIN BOARD STUFF (really DAK) In article <209@gilbbs.UUCP>, mc68020@gilbbs.UUCP (Tom Keller) writes: > > I know innumerable peole who have made purchases from DAK. In literally > *EVERY* case, they have been thouroughly displeased with the products and the > service offered by DAK. The company will not make any effort to correct > problems, they will lie to you about schedules and anything else. > > Stay *AWAY* from them! This may be true for the people you know, but I've ordered 7 or 8 times from them and been *generally* pleased. The merchandise isn't HIGHEST quality, but it doesn't claim to be... it claims to be neat-o gee-whiz which it usually is. The one time I had a problem with something (I just didn't like it) I returned it and was sent a check very promptly. Given ANY mail-order place, a certain number of people are going to have trouble. The trick is figuring out if that number is a significantly large number. Maybe your friends have been extra-unlucky. Maybe I've been extra lucky. Hard to tell with just two examples. You might check with the BBB, usually they'll have something to say about any company that has had significant complaints made against it. Everyone I know who has dealt with DAK seems to think they're OK. -King ARPA: ables@mcc.arpa UUCP: {gatech,ihnp4,nbires,seismo,ucb-vax}!ut-sally!im4u!milano!mcc-pp!ables --- Specific disclaimer: I am *only* a happy DAK customer, nothing more. Generic disclaimer: Use only as directed, void where licensed or taxed.
tom@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA (04/30/86)
Hi all: Recently I sent out a message concerning DAK and a Modem Phone, and Bulletin Boards. I got back a lot of responses about DAK and how good or bad they were. I must have asked my question wrong. The company I rquested information about was NOT DAK, but the company that DAK's promo on the modem phone mentions. The ad for the modem phone says that DAK will send the name of a company that sells a major Bulletin Board directory (if you buy their modem phone). What I wanted was information about the company that printed the directory, and where I could get it, not about DAK itself...sorry for the mix-up. Does anybody Know the name of this company? Thanks, Trevor O. McCarthy The MITRE Corporation
kucharsk@puff.UUCP (William Kucharski) (05/01/86)
In article <209@gilbbs.UUCP>, mc68020@gilbbs.UUCP (Tom Keller) writes: > I know innumerable peole who have made purchases from DAK. In literally > *EVERY* case, they have been thouroughly displeased with the products and the > service offered by DAK. The company will not make any effort to correct > problems, they will lie to you about schedules and anything else. > > Stay *AWAY* from them! > > -- > Disclaimer: I hereby disclaim any and all responsibility for disclaimers. > > tom keller > {ihnp4, dual}!ptsfa!gilbbs!mc68020 Well, my friends and I have spent a combined total of over $4000 on purchases from DAK and don't have one bad thing to say about them. The majority of what they sell works great, and what doesn't perform up to your expectations DAK takes back without any problems whatsoever. My friend bought a printer from them that he found he didn't like - DAK took it back, no problem. Another had a problem with his Cerwin-Vega subwoofer; DAK said to send it back. He did and soon received a NEW one (not repaired.) And as for schedules, I ordered an equalizer from DAK. They took a little over 2 weeks, so I called their toll-free line. I asked about it, and they said it had been shipped "a few days ago." UPS delivered it the next day. I wholeheartedly say that if DAK has something you'd like, give it a try; you can always send it back. -- William Kucharski University of Wisconsin - Madison =============================================================================== | | | Ameritech/Wisconsin Bell (Currently) : (608) 264-4013 | | Ameritech/Wisconsin Bell (After 5/17): (414) 769-7457 | | | | USPS (Currently): 253 Fish - Ogg East | | Madison, WI 53706 | | | | USPS (After 5/17): 5624 South Indiana Avenue | | Cudahy, WI 53110 | | | ===============================================================================
ARPA@brl-smoke (05/01/86)
Subject: Re: BULLETIN BOARD STUFF (really DAK) Hi all: Recently I sent out a message concerning DAK and a Modem Phone, and Bulletin Boards. I got back a lot of responses about DAK and how good or bad they were. I must have asked my question wrong. The company I rquested information about was NOT DAK, but the company that DAK's promo on the modem phone mentions. The ad for the modem phone says that DAK will send the name of a company that sells a major Bulletin Board directory (if you buy their modem phone). What I wanted was information about the company that printed the directory, and where I could get it, not about DAK itself...sorry for the mix-up. Does anybody Know the name of this company? Thanks, Trevor O. McCarthy The MITRE Corporation
eric@chronon.UUCP (05/02/86)
In article <209@gilbbs.UUCP> mc68020@gilbbs.UUCP (Tom Keller) writes: >In article <678@mb2c.UUCP>, spm@mb2c.UUCP (Steve Mazurek) writes: >> > >> > I was looking through a DAK catalog recently, and saw a MODEM PHONE (computer- >> > ized yellow pages they called it). As part of the sales promo, they said they >> > had the address of a company that sold a directory of hundreds of bulletin >> > boards: does anyone know what this company is and how to find them?? >> > >> > Anyone having lists or directories of bulletin boards, or who knows of a good >> > bulletin board - pleas write. >> > >> >> I just happen to have this information: >> >> DAK Industries Incorporated >> 8200 Remmet Ave., >> Canoga Park, CA 91304 >> >> Orders: (800) 325-0800 >> > Wrong answer to the question. "What is the name & address of the *company mentioned in the ad copy* that sells the directory of bbs's?" was the question. I don't know that, either... > > I know innumerable peole who have made purchases from DAK. In literally >*EVERY* case, they have been thouroughly displeased with the products and the >service offered by DAK. The company will not make any effort to correct >problems, they will lie to you about schedules and anything else. > > Stay *AWAY* from them! > I have made innumerable purchases from DAK myself, and have had nothing but good experience with them. With the understanding that some of the ad copy (much/most?) is hype, I have ordered merchandise, in most cases received it quite promptly (usually less than a week!). Otherwise, I received a partial shipment and an equally prompt letter saying that an item was temporarily out of stock (modulo the items clearly stated as "closeouts", and only one of those) and would be shipped by such-and-such a date, only to receive the shipment (except for that one out of stock closeout) long BEFORE the promised ship date. Approximately half of the items ordered did not live up to my needs, regardless of whether I expected them to be better or not, and I returned them within the 30-day trial period and received an immediate credit to my credit card. Other businesses have played footsie with actually posting the credit, but DAK has always been quite prompt. To look back at my record of ordering from them, I have returned just over half of what I ordered, but they still (apparently) like me. I still like them. I take at face value their offer to try some piece of gadgetry for 30 days (I'm a hopeless/helpless gadget freak), and if I decide it's not worth the money, or just change my mind about it, I return it. I don't see that I can get anywhere near such a deal from most local dealers! -- Eric Black "Garbage In, Gospel Out" UUCP: {sun,pyramid,hplabs,amdcad}!chronon!eric WELL: eblack BIX: eblack
chad@anasazi.UUCP (Chad R. Larson) (05/03/86)
In article <209@gilbbs.UUCP> mc68020@gilbbs.UUCP (Tom Keller) writes: > > I know innumerable peole who have made purchases from DAK. In literally >*EVERY* case, they have been thouroughly displeased with the products and the >service offered by DAK. The company will not make any effort to correct >problems, they will lie to you about schedules and anything else. > Well, just in order to balance an impression, I have bought lots of stuff from them, from their tapes to manufacturer's close-outs and always been satisfied. They sent what they said they would, for the most part when they said they would. A couple of exceptions--the last order I gave them was for a dbx encoder/decoder. They said it would be 4 to 6 weeks and I got it in 10 days. Another time they said 4 to 6 weeks but I got back ordered. They advised me of this, and gave me a chance to back out (just like the Fair Trade laws require). They didn't nick my credit card until they shipped. They also *DO* refund your money if you don't like the product. No questions asked (although you do get stuck for the return shipping). I recommend them to my friends--no one has been burned yet. -crl -- "Now wait just a minute! Wait just a darn minute!" -Dobie Gillis _____________________________________________________________________ UUCP: {mot!terak}!anasazi!chad Voice: Hey, Chad! Ma Bell: (602) 870-3330 ICBM: N33deg,33min Surface: International Anasazi, Inc. W112deg,03min 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive Suit 120 Phoenix, AZ 85020
cjl@ecsvax.UUCP (Charles Lord) (05/08/86)
I also vote yes on DAK. Very pleased (and I usually have very BAD luck with mail order). C. Lord cjl@ecsvax.UUCP
larry@jc3b21.UUCP (Lawrence F. Strickland) (05/24/86)
In article <332@mcc-pp>, ables%mcc-pp@mcc-pp.UUCP writes: > Subject: Re: BULLETIN BOARD STUFF (really DAK) > > In article <209@gilbbs.UUCP>, mc68020@gilbbs.UUCP (Tom Keller) writes: > > > > I know innumerable peole who have made purchases from DAK. In literally > > *EVERY* case, they have been thouroughly displeased with the products and the I would like to support what was said in favor of DAK, with some reservations. I was one of the people they lied to about schedules, ship dates, etc., BUT still am a relatively pleased customer. The problems seem to lie more with the shipping department than with DAK as a supplier. Most of the items I have ordered were well worth the price. In the three cases so far where I did not like the product, DAK was kind, prompt with the refund, and generally nice to work with. I would certainly NOT use them for any time-critical merchandise, but for general material they are very good. Also, they are not alone in problems. I ordered the 1200 BAUD ADC Modem from DAK and a Jade 1200 Baud modem from Jade at the same time. Both said they would be shipped the next day. Neither was. After numerouse phone calls and hair pulling, the DAK modem arrived first and in good working order. The Jade modem arrived last and arrived DEAD. On calling Jade, they suggested that I call the manufacturer because the problems with these modems were almost always just minor adjustments...ad nauseum. It was only with great reluctance they agreed to take the equipment back and then were three weeks late in crediting my account! I've had similar problems with virtually every computer and/or electronics house I've ever ordered from (except INMAC, but you pay for that service). If you want to complain about this, complain about the entire industry! -----Lawrence F. Strickland (larry@jc3b21) --------------------------- Dept. of Engineering Technology + Cthulhu + St. Petersburg Jr. College + R`lyeh + P.O. Box 13489 + wgah`nagl + St. Petersburg, FL 33733 + fh`tagn + Phone: +1 813 341 4705 --------------------------- UUCP: ...akgua!akguc!codas!peora!ucf-cs!usfvax2!jc3b21!larry