[net.comics] Twistings n strike outs

dub@pur-phy.UUCP (Dwight U. Bartholomew) (08/31/84)

(from Paul Simmington)
   I have two questions regarding old comics characters.
	The first concerns the flaming powers of Johnny Storm.
While facing off against an opponent, he occasionally uses his "supernova
blast".  But I thought he couldn't use that level, because it
would destroy the hemisphere.
	From my reading of the Fantastic Four, it seems unlikely
that Johnny Storm would possess such raw power.  There are many
accounts of when he's used the nova-blast, but they all end up with
him unconscious.  Doesn't it seem likely that he would go into
a coma or even die if he used a supernova blast?

	Second concerns the Human Juggernaut.  It seems that the powers
given him <by that strange stone> could easily defeat the
X-men, but everytime he fights them he constantly loses.  Why?
	I would have figured him to join the Brotherhood of Evil
Mutants <what a ridiculous name to call yourselves> and then they could
finally trash the X-men.  But it seems that Marvel doesn't want
the X-men to lose.


	And now for something completely indigenous.  THE SECRET WARS
SUCKS SPARROWS!  <Sorry...I just had to say that>  In the beginning,
they had a chance to really succeed, but they blew it.  There are many
situations which are inconsistant or just plain stupid.
   For instance... The appearance of the new Spiderwoman.
		   An entire suburb of Denver??? <tsk...tsk..>
		   The way the Absorbing Man was able to reattach
			his severed arm <real hokey>
		   The """"""""death"""""""" of Wasp only to
			find out that she's not really dead at all
		   Klaw is a strange character now, but when he fought
			Dazzler (~#9) he was ruthless.
	Why did Marvel screw up with the characters!!??
	I would like to know if anyone has a good reason <other than
money> why Marvel is even pursuing this maxi-series any further.  It
is obvious that nothing will change and everyone will return to Earth.
Is this Marvel's way to sneak Dr Doom back into comics?

				Paul Simmington
				Northeastern Univ.
				Boston MA  02116

lmaher@uokvax.UUCP (09/04/84)

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uokvax!lmaher    Sep  4 00:09:00 1984

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>(from Paul Simmington)
>   I have two questions regarding old comics characters.
>	The first concerns the flaming powers of Johnny Storm.

As Johnny gets older, he gets more powerful, and gains more
control over his powers.  This is true of most of Marvel's
characters, if you compare them now with how they were 10 or 20
(real) years ago.  Especially the teen-age characters - look at
Iceman for example.

> Second concerns the ... Juggernaut.    It seems that the
> powers given him <by that strange stone> could easily defeat
> the X-men, but everytime he fights them he constantly loses.
> Why?

Because Brute Strength and Invulnerability aren't everything.
Originally they usually defeated him by removing the helmet that
protected him from psionics, and having Proffessor X zap him.
Since he's welded the helmet on, they've had to settle for
dumping him in large bodies of water, which takes him a while to
get out of (he's unstoppable, but he's slow).

There were two issues (between 100 and 120?) where Black Tom
hired Arcade to kill the X-Men.  Juggernaut got heated and
claimed he could do it himself, and Tom pointed out how many
times Juggernaut had tried and failed.

>         I would have figured him to join the Brotherhood of
> Evil Mutants <what a ridiculous name to call yourselves> and
> then they could finally trash the X-men.

After Pyro, Blob, and Avalanche were captured in Rom #something-
or-other, Rogue wanted to rename it as the Sisterhood of Evil
Mutants.  It seems to me it would be better to call it the
Brotherhood of Mutants, to disguise its intentions.  If
Juggernaut joined the B.E.M., within a week he'd be smashing Blob
and the other loudmouths.  He doesn't work well with a group, and
he's too self-confident to want to.

>   But it seems that Marvel doesn't want the X-men to lose.

You wouldn't call the death of Jean Grey a loss??!?!  The X-Men
have lost several other times, but of course they can't lose
permanently, or Marvel would have to stop publishing their comic.

One of the best things about team books is that they can be
defeated, or even suffer losses, because there are others to
carry on.  But you *know* that Spiderman or Superman *cannot*
die, because their mag ends with them.

If you want to see the X-Men lose fatally, see X-Men #141-142
"Days of Future Past" where in 2013 the surviving X-Men make
their final stand against the Sentinels, and lose.

	Carl
	..!ctvax!uokvax!lmaher

moriarty@fluke.UUCP (The Napoleon of Crime) (09/18/84)

>> Second concerns the ... Juggernaut.    It seems that the
>> powers given him <by that strange stone> could easily defeat
>> the X-men, but everytime he fights them he constantly loses.
>> Why?
>
>Because Brute Strength and Invulnerability aren't everything.

No, but they help waiting in line for Bruce Springsteen tickets....

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				"Then shoot MORE BULLETS!"

					Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
					John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc.
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