drforsey@watcgl.UUCP (Dave Forsey) (10/24/84)
Hi, I've been following the net for awhile and finally decided to toss in a monkey wrench, in hopes of locating like-minded iconoclasts out there somewhere. <deep breath> Here goes: 1: Does everyone else *worship* the Big Two or something? Well, take *this*: I don't buy ANY DC except the NEW GODS reprints and CAMELOT 3000 (both soon-to-be-defunct), and I don't buy ANY Marvels except the Ditko reprints in MARVEL TALES. I was buying X-MEN and NM but have finally had enough --- I won't let Claremont do that to me anymore. Doesn't anyone else have the guts to abandon this trash were being buried with? I buy hole-in-the-wall stuff, THAT'S what's happening! LOVE AND ROCKETS (absolute best stuff on the market), MR X (aren't there any other Jaime Hernandez fans in netland?), the A-V stuff, THE ROCKETEER, some of First (yay NEXUS!!!), MAGE, there are so many SUPERIOR alternatives.... 2: I picked up SWAMP THING ANNUAL #2 on the net's say-so. Alan Moore is competent and interesting, but not God. His type of writing becomes its own triteness after a while, certain tricks used to elicit a knee-jerk sense of "good writing". The same thing happened to Miller and Claremont (I remember when Claremont could WRITE! I must be getting old...) STA #2 was not particularly moving or dazzling. I prefer the Hernandez brothers, or Mike Baron, or Scott McCloud (ZOT!). Another good example of Alan-Moore-as-formula can be seen in that new Canadian indie NORTHGUARD: good writing, a good comic, but you can see certain conventions ossifying in it. 3: I HATE MARVEL for its obvious plot to monopolize the comics industry! By flooding the market and undercutting prices they can bury DC and then have the power to destroy First, Eclipse, etc. like gnats! What a GODDAMN MEAN, PETTY, ROTTEN thing to do!! Doesn't anyone else *mind*?! Do you all WANT to see nothing but SECRET WARS and Claremontian strong-but-oh-so- sensitive women threatening to turn into a Phoenix every other month? Miniseries about every new movie or Japanese toy, regardless of quality or aptness? U.S. 1, DAZZLER, STARRIORS, ROM... if Marvel wins, that's all you'll get, and you'll pay through the nose for it. 4: And I'm sick of Claremont's %*&#ing *sorcery*!! Illyana's soul-armor, Dani's demon bear, people always turning into something else... *I DON'T CARE!!!!!* (There, now I feel better.) P.S.: Please don't blame this on the addressee, I'm using a friend's account. Hope I ruffled SOMEONE'S feathers.... The Gray Mouser
pjs1@ihuxf.UUCP (pjs1) (10/26/84)
YYES Yes, someone does mind, First is sueing Marvel for Antitrust violations . They will probably win.
oz@rlgvax.UUCP (THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ) (10/30/84)
Horray for the Mouser! Yes, Virgina, there are people out there in netland that believe that the things being written by the ALTERNATE comics are WORTH reading, instead of reading the big two and bitching. The entire FIRST line is outstanding! The COMICO line is worth looking in to. The WORST of the alternate comics is better then 80% of the stuff being put out by the big two. If we keep buying mediocrity, we only encourage mediocrity. Remember that SECRET WARS is one of the most successful MARVEL comics EVER! This might encourage Jim to (lord, no!) keep writing. The comic industry seems to worship Salieri, patron saint of medocrity. OZ
drforsey@watcgl.UUCP (Dave Forsey) (10/30/84)
"First is sueing Marvel for Antitrust violations"?!! Whoever sent this, BLESS YOU!! You've made my year!! The Gray Mouser
gino@sdchema.UUCP (Eugene G. Youngerman) (11/01/84)
In article <220@rlgvax.UUCP> oz@rlgvax.UUCP (THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ) writes: >Horray for the Mouser! Yes, Virgina, there are people out there in netland >that believe that the things being written by the ALTERNATE comics are WORTH >reading, instead of reading the big two and bitching. The entire FIRST line >is outstanding! The COMICO line is worth looking in to. The WORST of the >alternate comics is better then 80% of the stuff being put out by the big two. >If we keep buying mediocrity, we only encourage mediocrity. Remember that >SECRET WARS is one of the most successful MARVEL comics EVER! This might >encourage Jim to (lord, no!) keep writing. > > The comic industry seems to worship Salieri, > patron saint of medocrity. > > OZ Yes, the alternatives are putting out some of the finest comics available. BUT... there is something to be said for adhering to a regular schedule. And to revere the independents as opposed to the big two is somewhat akin to worshipping J.R. (Ewing) for standing up and championing the cause of the little guy over the major oil companies. I am not saying that the independent comics are evil. ( I just wanted to clear that up.) NOT ALL the stuff by the alternatives is better than 80% of the big two. Anybody remember Wild Animals. I agree that the Comico stuff is excellent. But, a somewhat more regular schedule would be nice. Scorpio Rose has all the makings of an excellent comic. Good Art, Good Script, Good Artist, Good Scripter, Good Paper. etc. But how do you judge a three part mini-series when the time gap between #2 and #3 is more than 8 months. While I'm complaining. I think that the use of good paper in the Eclipse and Pacific Comics line may have been their undoing. I just can't help feeling that Twisted Tales or Alien Worlds might have done a little better if they had been $.50 or $.75 cheaper, and done on regular stock, or the paper that First uses. I am GINO p.s. I don't mean to be attacking anyone, but some of the best comics are coming out of Marvel and DC. And nobody is saying don't read the independents. But don't not read Teen Titans, or Thor, or Dreadstar, or Camelot 3000 (where is #12) just because they are published by Marvel or DC.
eric@milo.UUCP (Eric Bergan) (11/05/84)
When last at my local comic shop, I asked about #12 of Camelot and they said the latest rumor is around Christmas. I sure hope it is worth the wait. Seems like a lot of loose ends to tie up in one issue. -- eric ...!seismo!umcp-cs!aplvax!milo!eric