[net.comics] Ketchup Comments #2

boyajian@akov68.DEC (Jerry Boyajian) (09/27/84)

> From:	ucla-cs!rick           19-Sep-1984 15:15:33  

> I used (read: > 5 years ago) collect comics, primarlily for the art work.
> I haven't kept up much on what has happened the last few years. Does anyone
> know what the following artists are doing now:
>    1) Neal Adams
>    2) Barry Smith
>    3) John Buscema

(1) Neal Adams has mostly been doing commercial art for the last 10 years or so,
as well as running Continuity Studios. He's pretty much kept his hand in the
comics, though, with the occasional cover here and there. In the last couple of
years, he's written and drawn two *dreadfully* written, though elegantly drawn,
comics for Pacific Comics: MS. MYSTIC (2 issues) and SKATEMAN (1 issue -- Praise
the Lord!). Currently, he produces and edits Continuity Comics, of which the
first title, an anthology comic called ECHOES OF FUTUREPAST, has had two issues.
He has a Frankenstein/Dracula/Wolfman strip in ECHOES, but it's pretty much just
a touch-up of material he did for a European publisher years ago.

(2) Barry Smith (now known as Barry Windsor-Smith) quit comics after he gave up
CONAN, and put most of his energy into doing limited-edition prints for his own
Gorblimey Press. He's recently returned to comics, and has done some work for
Pacific's PATHWAYS TO FANTASY and Marvel's EPIC ILLUSTRATED, MARVEL FANFARE,
MACHINE MAN mini-series, and THE X-MEN. He also did a Cerebus the Aardvark story
(and the cover) for SWORDS OF CEREBUS #5.

(3) John Buscema has pretty much done nothing but Conan for the last 10 years,
though he has done the occasional this and that.


> From:	dartvax!mwm           22-Sep-1984 09:44:12  

> the old timers i;d like to hear about are people like jim steranko, of capt.
> america/shield fame... he's the same vintage as these guys, but he dropped
> out in the early 70's and hasn't been heard from since except for one graphic
> novel in the mid-70's....
> the true old-timers are the dead artists for the most part..... wally wood,
> lou fine, etc....

Steranko is busy publishing MEDIASCENE PREVUE, formerly MEDIASCENE, formerly
COMIXSCENE. It's a pretty low-grade film/comics/books magazine. Why he bothers,
I'll never know. He also does the occasional cover, and wrote and drew one of
the stories in SUPERMAN #400.

And there are still some of the *real* old-timers alive and kicking! Will Eisner
is still doing work for Kitchen Sink's WILL EISNER QUARTERLY and Milt Caniff is
still plugging away at "Steve Canyon" (though I hear that he'll be retiring
soon. Joe Kubert is also practically from that vintage, and he's still doing
comics.

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, Maynard, MA)

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moriarty@fluke.UUCP (Jeff Meyer) (10/03/84)

As much as I loved his 60's work (I have a complete collection of his Nick
Fury stories in Strange Tales and the SHIELD magazine), the few issues of
Mediascene I've read have really shattered some illusions.  The magazine is
pretty trashy, which might not be due to Steranko;  but his editorials
introducing each issue (with a picture of him trying to look as much like
John Travolta as is humanly possible) are the droolings of a quickly
deteriorating mind.  It's really too bad that all people who do such good
work can't be as pleasant in real life; on the other hand, the majority
seems to be, at least in comics (look at Messner-Loebs, Terry Austin, Jack
Kirby, Ray Bradbury...).

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boyajian@akov68.DEC (Jerry Boyajian) (02/01/85)

> From:	Pucc-H:pur-phy!dub	(Dwight Bartholomew)

> 1) The previous issue leaves us with Prof. X critically mugged.
>    This could have lead to some very interesting situations. 
>    Unfortunately, the whole episode is brushed aside with the help
>    of that stupid Morlock healer.  That guy just takes all of the 
>    reality out of dangerous situations.  Who cares if you've
>    gotten half a dozen ribs, your skull or your back broken in some
>    battle.  Just call in the healer and then get on with some other
>    plot line.  The healer is one mutie that I wouldn't mind seeing
>    permanently removed from the Marvel Universe.

I can see your point, and agree with you there. The possible ramifications
of Charly getting seriously hurt like that had too much potential to get
pushed aside like that. On the other hand, I can see why Claremont wanted
to get Charly into a position in which he couldn't help the X-Men against
Empath and the others. If Charly was A-OK, the story wouldn't have been
half as long. This still doesn't excuse the problem, though.

>	a) Just where the hell did Starfire come from?  Yes, I know
> 	   that the character is on Spidey's Friends.  Big deal!
>	   There is absolutely NO explanation of what she is capable
>	   of doing.  Are we supposed to be telepaths as we read
>	   about her?  

Why do you feel that you need to have everything explained right off the
bat? The fact of the matter is that there is a Firestar mini-series coming,
and it seems obviously that Claremont didn't want to spill all the beans
about her (no, he's not writing it, Tom DeFalco is), since the mini-series
deals with her origin. And BTW, this isn't her first comic book appearance.
She appeared along with Iceman and Spider-Man in a giveaway comic from the
DALLAS TIMES HERALD newspaper.
	And note: it's Firestar, not Starfire; Starfire's in the Teen Titans.

> 	b) Just why are Roulette and Empath the only Hellions around
>	   during Thunderbird's little revenge trip?

Maybe the others are home on vacation. Not all the X-Men or New Mutants are
around all the time, why should it be true of the Hellions?

>	f) I presume they just left Empath and Roulette at the
>	   mountain.

No, Charly said on page 38 (bottom left panel) that they were "sedated and
sleeping upstairs".

> 3) Now when Storm got her new hair cut I thought that was strange,
>    but seeing as it was just a reflection of her new outlook on
>    life I accepted it as character development.  In this issue
>    Rogue gets a new hair style.  It kind of looks like a mop.
>    Yuck!  There is no explanation for it.  In the past atleast
>    one team-mate would have asked "Hey Rogue, why the new hair style?"
>    It would seem that even that courtesy to the readers is absent.

Again, *why* does it have to be explained? Back in #183, when we all thought
Kitty cut her hair (and it turned out to be a wig --- just to consistify
that issue with the KITTY AND WOLVERINE series. blechh!), no explanation
was asked for or given. Maybe one of the other X-Men *did* ask her ---
off-panel. As for the style itself, well, I'm not thrilled with it, but I
wasn't all that thrilled with her old style, either.

> 4) Since I'm on the topic of styles... Kitty's mask looked horrible.

I agree. You should take a look at the drawing of Shadowcat in the AMAZING
HEROES 1985 PREVIEW by Arthur Adams. It looks dynamite! When I saw her in
the X-Men, my first reaction was to want to barf. Let's face it, JRJR just
isn't that good an artist (the only time I've liked him is when he was doing
IRON MAN for a while, but there he had Bob Layton to do layouts and inks). He
also seems to have a thing about large wedge-shaped jackets.


> From:	CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:Pucc-I:Pucc-K:afo	(Laurie Sefton)

> I just happened to buy the DC-Universe beastie (you know the
> equivalent of their encyclopedia),...
> noticed that the writers that be are being rather vague about
> whether most of the characters will be seen in the future or not
> (far future, as in at least one year down the road, or something of
> permanence).
>
> Well, at least it isn't as bad as the Marvel version.....

I don't find that either one is any better or any worse than the other.
The one thing I noted was that they don't mention which Earth the character
belongs on (I especially noted this with Batman).


> From:	rlgvax!oz

> (now there
> is an interesting idea for a net.comics contest: guess how much moriarty
> spends on comics a month!  O.K., maybe it needs work)

Well, I don't know about Jeff, but I spend about $100-125 a month on comics.

> I had been wondering for a while who the "larry" was that [The Badger]
> kept referring to.
> After reading the famous martial arts concentration cry of "Nyuk-nyuk-nyuk" I
> think I have figured it out.  As a person that has named his four office
> automation machines "moe, curly, larry," and "shemp" I was delighted.

Well, yes, I figured out that he was probably referring to the Stooge, but why?
It's not like it's a specific reference to any of the Stooges flicks.


--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, Maynard, MA)

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henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) (02/05/85)

>> 1) The previous issue leaves us with Prof. X critically mugged.
>>    This could have lead to some very interesting situations. 
>>    Unfortunately, the whole episode is brushed aside with the help
>>    of that stupid Morlock healer.  That guy just takes all of the 
>>    reality out of dangerous situations.  Who cares if you've
>>    gotten half a dozen ribs, your skull or your back broken in some
>>    battle.  Just call in the healer and then get on with some other
>>    plot line.  The healer is one mutie that I wouldn't mind seeing
>>    permanently removed from the Marvel Universe.

Quite possibly Claremont & Co. feel the same way.  Note that the healer
is now on the disabled list, out of action for some months at least.

> > 	b) Just why are Roulette and Empath the only Hellions around
> >	   during Thunderbird's little revenge trip?
> 
> Maybe the others are home on vacation. Not all the X-Men or New Mutants are
> around all the time, why should it be true of the Hellions?

I thought it was moderately clear that Thunderbird's revenge attempt was
a private operation, unsanctioned by the Hellions or the White Queen.
The real question is, how did Roulette and Empath become involved?
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lmaher@uokvax.UUCP (02/20/85)

<Passing comments composed on the fly...>

In answer to Boyijian's and Spencer's answers to someone else
concerning X-Men #193, let me point out that:

Rogue's hair is all messed up because she had just gotten out of
the shower (look in the scene where they've all been brought
together to view Thunderbird's threat), and didn't have time to
fix it.  I thought this was rather amusing; in emergencies
there's not always time to make yourself look nice (unless you're
the Wasp).

The Firestar limited series will go into far more detail about
Angelica Jones, Empath, and the rest of the Hellions; so many of
your questins will be answered there.

In general, a careful reading of the comic answers most of your
questions, although it also raises some others.  What is
Wolverine doing with a war club in that first scene where they
come together?  After the horrible, horrible 191-192, 193 was a
great relief, although it is a still a far cry from the X-Men's
glory days.  Maybe Byrne will come back after he does the X-
Men/Alpha Flight teamup with Claremont.  (I know, but I can
dream, can't I?)

Issue 27 of New Mutants was actually worth looking at it, Bill
S-word's art fitted the subject very well.  But alas, in 28 we
are back into reality, and once again must identify characters
solely by dialogue, as Bill draws them the way he feels them, not
the way they look. :-(

Need I remind you,

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