boyajian@akov68.DEC (Jerry Boyajian) (02/08/85)
> From: dartvax!mwm (Mark Modrall) > well, i don't think marvel is really even going to try to dump > the wwII business.... if any of you remember the sphinx saga from > around issue 216 of the ff??? when the sphinx make reed, sue and ben > around 90 of > or a 100 years old???/ and then johnny finds the mysterious youth ray, > and changes them all back to say, 30 years old??? the make the comment > specifically that they are all a lot younger than when they started, > hence eliminating the need to forget wwII.... I wasn't talking about what Marvel may do or is thinking of doing, I was mentioning WHAT MARVEL HAS ALREADY DONE. They've stated, in print (unfortun- ately, I don't remember where I read it, I'm not sure I would even have the comic anymore), that the story which placed Reed and Ben in WWII *did not* happen! > other characters can't get away from it either..... xavier, capt. america, > wolverine, nick fury and others..... Capt. America has already been explained away: he was frozen until his return in THE AVENGERS #4. No conflict there. In MARVEL SPOTLIGHT #31, it was shown that somewhere along the line, Nick Fury took an experimental immortality serum (I don't recall the details, but I think he still has to take boosters every now and then). No conflict there. Xavier never served in WWII, but in Korea. No conflict there. Wolverine has never been said to have served in WWII, though I recall a comment made by Claremont in an interview somewhere that he and Byrne had thought about having a scene in which the X-Men run into Cap, and Cap recognizes Logan as someone he knew in WWII. The idea is, of course, that Logan's healing factor increases his life span. That incident never came to pass, and I believe that Claremont has dropped the idea com- pletely, thus, no conflict there. > one explanation that i have heard from marvel people is that in marvel time, > it really is about 1970... and that their years are longer than ours... I've never heard this one. It certainly doesn't jive with various cultural references (like the Newties going to see E.T., or Illyana sporting a "Team Banzai" hat). The story that *I've* heard is as I mentioned before, that the events that started the current Age of the Marvel Universe (FF #1), happened around 1971 instead of 1961. This still conflicts with certain events, but since most of the old stories are long out of print, most of the current readership doesn't know or care about them. It's easier to rewrite past history than current history. --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, Maynard, MA) UUCP: {decvax|ihnp4|allegra|ucbvax|...}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-akov68!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%akov68.DEC@DECWRL.ARPA
henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) (02/09/85)
> ... Wolverine has never been said to have served in > WWII, though [Claremont was thinking about it] Wolverine has explicitly referred to having experienced "that winter under Monte Cassino", or something along those lines (my X-Men back issues aren't where I can check them quickly). Monte Cassino was a major battle/campaign in Italy in WW2. This can be explained away, but only in the most ad-hoc and unsatisfying manner. It has also been established -- I think -- that Wolverine has seen active wartime duty as a soldier. That, too, tends to pin things down. If one assumes that his military service was in the Canadian Army -- it's hard to reconcile anything else with his history -- then that means WW2 or Korea, period. Canada hasn't been involved in that many wars, guys... I also see no reason to stamp your foot and insist on explaining these things away in some odd fashion. Wolverine is not young, and he has a complicated history and a mutant metabolism. Giving him a WW2 background doesn't cause any problems, because he's too obviously a special case for any troublesome conclusions to be drawn. Incidentally, saying "Xavier was in Korea, not WW2" doesn't help all that much. Those two wars were only a few years apart, and they were both a long time ago. -- Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology {allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!henry
lmaher@uokvax.UUCP (02/20/85)
>/***** uokvax:net.comics / utzoo!henry / 1:36 am Feb 9, 1985 */ >> ... Wolverine has never been said to have served in >> WWII, though [Claremont was thinking about it] > >Wolverine has explicitly referred to having experienced "that winter >under Monte Cassino", or something along those lines (my X-Men back I believe the reference is from the X-Men Annual (#3?) where the X-Men go to hell, and Nightcrawler discovers his lover is his sister (by adoption, of course!). In X-Men #140 Wolverine says that he has been both a soldier and an agent. I firmly believe that he did see action in WW 2, and his mutant healing factor will let him live a long, long time. In the marvelous "Days of Future Past" story in X-Men #141-142, 30 years from now he's just a little gray around the temples, with a few more lines in his face. I also think Logan is the son of Sabertooth. Originally there wa an idea to have them fight to the death (over sufficient cause, such as Sabertooth killing Mariko or similar provocation) and have Logan kill his father ON PANEL, no mistake. This probably won't happen until Shooter leaves. Incredibly enough, Shooter has said that Wolverine has *never* killed anyone, surely one of the most asinine statements ever made. A very interesting article in Amazing Heroes points out that ALL of the X-Men have killed, and so what? "He made his choice. He'll have to live - or die - with it. I never use my claws on someone who hadn't tried to kill me first. I call that self defense." Carl Rigney USMAIL: Dorm 4, Room 45/ Fermilab/ Box 500/ Batavia, IL 60510 TELEPHONE: (312) 840-4922 at home or 840-4653 at work BITNET: RIGNEY@FNAL SLAC DECNET: FNAL::RIGNEY (if you can reach the node FNAL) USENET: allegra!convex!ctvax!uokvax!lmaher (will be forwarded)