boyajian@akov68.DEC (Jerry Boyajian) (02/08/85)
> From: CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:Pucc-I:Pucc-K:afo (Laurie Sefton) > And if we get *really* lucky, Kid Flash will kick off on his own! Except that Harlan Ellison is supposed to be writing a Wally Wood (*not* Kid Flash) mini-series. I suspect that KF is not terminally ill, but just losing his powers. > From: ihlts!tjarks (Tim Tjarks) > This has been asked before, but does anyone else have any speculation > on who will die or on any of the major changes promised? I doubt that > we'll see any cancellation of titles due to the main character dying > (unless the title was marginal in the first place and not heavily > licensed: any candidates?). I would guess there will be wholesale > slaughter of old, obscure characters... Well, both in the fan press and in the text piece in CRISIS #1, Marv Wolfman *insists* that (1) he has carte blanche to kill off whomever he wants (subject to the approval of Jeanette Kahn and Dick Giordano), (2) that major characters will get killed off as well as minor characters, and (3) that even Superman won't escape unscathed. Now, it's true that I am skeptical of any top-selling title being cancelled because the character is killed off in CRISIS. Currently, though, DC only *really* big sellers are team books (and the team line-ups aren't sacrosanct) and the Superman books (and he won't get killed off, for sure --- changed, maybe, but not killed off). Even BATMAN and DETECTIVE COMICS are selling under 100,000 copies a month. As far as licensed characters go, the only *real* biggies in that department are Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman, and since each of those has two versions, one can be eliminated in favor of the other. Wonder Woman, especially has been a thorn in DC's side because she is a valuable licensing product, but the sales of her comic suck. They probably would've cancelled it (and the Batman titles) if the licensing wasn't so important. Now, they may have finally decided that if Roy Thomas has the Golden Age WW appeared occasionally in ALL STAR SQUADRON, and with Bats in BATMAN $ THE OUTSIDERS, they can afford to cancel those books. Who can tell at this point? I couldn't begin to guess at what *changes* may be made, though I've outlined a possible change in Batman in another message, which also briefly mentions a possible change in the Superman mythos. Another possible change in Superman that I could imagine is that his powers could change slightly, or that he will be made a little less omnipotent.* [* Look at it this way: according to the MARVEL HANDBOOK, Thor can lift around 95 tons, the Hulk and Hercules around 100. I can't imagine that Superman is any stronger than any of those characters, and yet I also can't imagine him being able to lift only 100 tons.] This, I think, is one of the wonderful things about CRISIS. Unlike SECRET WARS, where (1) we knew what changes were going to be made before they were made, and (2) they ended up not being permanent, we won't know what is going to happen in CRISIS until it happens, and, most of all, they're going to be *permanent*. --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, Maynard, MA) UUCP: {decvax|ihnp4|allegra|ucbvax|...}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-akov68!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%akov68.DEC@DECWRL.ARPA
boyajian@akov68.DEC (03/29/85)
This contains some comments on CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #4. There may be
some spoilers, so if you haven't read COIE #4 and don't want it spoiled for
you, pass on by.
Well, this is the big one. Wolfman did it. Everything's gone --- Earth-X,
Earth-S, Earth-1, Earth-2, the whole she-bang.
Comments:
(1) Due to Gorge Perez's magnificent art, this is the first time I can recall
that Kara hasn't looked utterly stupid in her newest costume. Plus,
the characterization of both Supergirl and Batgirl were really nice.
Wolfman gave them the same sense of close friendship as Superman/Batman
and Power Girl/Huntress have had. Anotehr first, as far as I know.
(2) Rats! When I got to the end of page 3 and caught the mention of "John
Constantine", I thought that I was very cleverly noticing an obscure
reference to the impending storyline in SWAMP THING (it helped that I
read the latest ST just before this). I wondered how many people would
catch this. Then, at the top of the next page, Swamp Thing is mentioned
for all to notice. I wonder if what is being expected in SWAMP THING is
a manifestation of what's happening in CRISIS (is "he" Pariah? The
Monitor? The Adversary that's behind the Crisis?).
(3) Earth-6, eh? I wonder if Wolfman came up with this Earth and its heroes
only to wipe it out. Will Lord Volt or Lady Quark be around after the
Crisis is over? Of course, it just occurred to me that maybe some of
the characters from Earth-3 *aren't* gone forever!
(4) The new Dr. Light appears. Not too shabby. Will she end up being a hero?
A villain? I don't suppose it really matters. Anything is bound to be
an improvement over the old Dr. Light.
(5) The shot of Superman floating in the sky on page 16 really strikes my
fancy.
(6) Last but not least, a speculation. It didn't occur to me until I saw one
of the letters in the lettercol, but could there be more significance
than one might at first think to the fact that the "origin" of the
Luthor child from Earth-3 parallels that of Superman? Nah, can't be.
Wolfman couldn't. Wolfman wouldn't. Could DC *really* have the guts to
make *that* much of change in Superman? Aaaaarrrrggghhhhhh!!!!! The
suspense is going to kill me!
--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, Maynard, MA)
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ARPA: boyajian%akov68.DEC@DECWRL.ARPAma3752af@unmc.UUCP (11/11/85)
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Not only is Supergirl no longer among the living, but it also seems
that the Huntress and Earth 2 Robin will bite it in the last issue
of Crisis. Kole (from the Teen Titans) will also give her life
to save to world. Will anyone survive?
Also, a friend tells me that the New Mutants die in Secret Wars.
Yeah!!!!! I can't express my grief enough at this marvelous event
Maybe they will stay dead forever (unlike Jean Grey, God rest her
mutant soul (ha ha)).
Is there anyone else out there who hates Marvel as much as I do?
I dare them to make their presence known to mankind. ralphw@ius2.cs.cmu.edu (Ralph Hyre) (11/18/85)
In article <514@unmc.UUCP> ma3752af@unmc.UUCP writes: ... > Not only is Supergirl no longer among the living, but it also seems > that the Huntress and Earth 2 Robin will bite it in the last issue > of Crisis... This is apparently due to a slip up in Who's Who #n, which came out before the Crisis #12. Oops. - Ralph
glw@rayssd.UUCP (Gregory L. Wing) (11/18/85)
=== REFERENCED ARTICLE =================================== > Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site rayssd.UUCP > Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site unmc.UUCP > Path: rayssd!raybed2!linus!philabs!cmcl2!lanl!unm-la!unmvax!unmc!ma3752af > From: ma3752af@unmc.UUCP > Newsgroups: net.comics > Subject: Crisis > Message-ID: <514@unmc.UUCP> > Date: Sun, 10-Nov-85 19:52:07 EST > Article-I.D.: unmc.514 > Posted: Sun Nov 10 19:52:07 1985 > Date-Received: Sun, 17-Nov-85 20:52:08 EST > Distribution: net > Organization: University Of New Mexico Computing Center, Albuquerque, NM > Lines: 14 > > Is there anyone else out there who hates Marvel as much as I do? > I dare them to make their presence known to mankind. Say Buddy, I like how you're so tough that you can make a challenge like the one above, but don't have the guts to put your real name down yourself!!!! Gregory L. Wing P.S. I obviously don't hate Marvel as much as you do, but what they've done with their comics the last few years has not made me happy. (Secret Wars I & II really suck!!!)
m1b@rayssd.UUCP (M. Joseph Barone) (11/19/85)
> Not only is Supergirl no longer among the living, but it also seems > that the Huntress and Earth 2 Robin will bite it in the last issue > of Crisis. Kole (from the Teen Titans) will also give her life > to save to world. Will anyone survive? The above information is available in DC's Who's Who book. I'm susprised that it appeared before Crisis #12 came out. The entry of the Flash was printed before his death and did not include the fact that he would die. If they do kill the Huntress, I'm sure Power Girl must get it as well. I think DC could have done a great deal with the Huntress and Power Girl. The interaction between the Huntress and Batman of Earth I would have really been interesting. The same is true with Power Girl and Superman. Their appearances helped flesh out Infinity, Inc. I'll be very annoyed with DC if this indeed happens. Please, kill off the new JLA if you must; kill Kole; send Jonni Thunder into a black hole or run over Hawkman of Earth II -- I don't care -- but leave the Huntress and Power Girl alone! Joe Barone, {allegra, decvax!brunix, linus, ccice5}!rayssd!m1b Raytheon Co, Submarine Signal Div., Box 330, Portsmouth, RI 02871
ma3752af@unmc.UUCP (11/24/85)
> === REFERENCED ARTICLE =================================== > > Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site rayssd.UUCP > > Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site unmc.UUCP > > Path: rayssd!raybed2!linus!philabs!cmcl2!lanl!unm-la!unmvax!unmc!ma3752af > > From: ma3752af@unmc.UUCP > > Newsgroups: net.comics > > Subject: Crisis > > Message-ID: <514@unmc.UUCP> > > Date: Sun, 10-Nov-85 19:52:07 EST > > Article-I.D.: unmc.514 > > Posted: Sun Nov 10 19:52:07 1985 > > Date-Received: Sun, 17-Nov-85 20:52:08 EST > > Distribution: net > > Organization: University Of New Mexico Computing Center, Albuquerque, NM > > Lines: 14 > > > > Is there anyone else out there who hates Marvel as much as I do? > > I dare them to make their presence known to mankind. > > Say Buddy, I like how you're so tough that you can make a > challenge like the one above, but don't have the guts to put > your real name down yourself!!!! > > Gregory L. Wing > > P.S. I obviously don't hate Marvel as much as you do, but what > they've done with their comics the last few years has > not made me happy. (Secret Wars I & II really suck!!!) Obviously, since the name was on the article under the From heading, I thought it silly to restate what was already apparent. At least you admit that Secret Wars was a crock. I concur. But after reading a multitude of other Marvel titles, I found that Daredevil was the only one to keep my attention. Well, so does X-Factor, but only because of its stupidity. The psuedo-intellectual garbage Marvel (and sometimes D.C.) push upon its readers is incredible. The issues are silly - I don't care about mutants, and neither do most 9 year-old kids. If I want philosophy I'll read a novel, when I want to be entertained I'll read Ambush Bug. But if I am forced to chose between two types of psuedo intellectual garbage, then I'll chose D.C. Sorry for the flames, but someone had to say these things. Vincent J. Murphy writer, and Bret K.Thaeler transcriber *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE ***
ma3752af@unmc.UUCP (11/25/85)
> > Not only is Supergirl no longer among the living, but it also seems > > that the Huntress and Earth 2 Robin will bite it in the last issue > > of Crisis. Kole (from the Teen Titans) will also give her life > > to save to world. Will anyone survive? > > The above information is available in DC's Who's Who book. I'm > susprised that it appeared before Crisis #12 came out. The entry of the > Flash was printed before his death and did not include the fact that he > would die. If they do kill the Huntress, I'm sure Power Girl must get > it as well. > > I think DC could have done a great deal with the Huntress and > Power Girl. The interaction between the Huntress and Batman of Earth I > would have really been interesting. The same is true with Power Girl > and Superman. Their appearances helped flesh out Infinity, Inc. I'll > be very annoyed with DC if this indeed happens. Please, kill off the > new JLA if you must; kill Kole; send Jonni Thunder into a black hole > or run over Hawkman of Earth II -- I don't care -- but leave the Huntress > and Power Girl alone! > I don't believe that anything happens to Power Girl, but the death of the Huntress is bad enough. I remember when I would buy Wonder Woman just to read the Huntress. And the Earth 2 Robin's demise is also terrible - his costume is better than the Earth 1 version. Oh well. At least Kole, Supergirl, Flash, Robin, and the Huntress will stay dead ( i hope ). No Dark (fill in the blanks). And after the Beyonder resurrects the New Mutants and the Avengers, maybe he'll do the Huntress for us. But then I would have no respect for D.C. V.J. Murphy
glw@rayssd.UUCP (Gregory L. Wing) (11/27/85)
=== REFERENCED ARTICLE =================================== > Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site rayssd.UUCP > Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site unmc.UUCP > Path: rayssd!raybed2!linus!philabs!cmcl2!lanl!unm-la!unmvax!unmc!ma3752af > From: ma3752af@unmc.UUCP > Newsgroups: net.comics > Subject: Re: Crisis > Message-ID: <543@unmc.UUCP> > Date: Sat, 23-Nov-85 17:31:50 EST > Article-I.D.: unmc.543 > Posted: Sat Nov 23 17:31:50 1985 > Date-Received: Tue, 26-Nov-85 00:08:52 EST > References: <514@unmc.UUCP> <1488@rayssd.UUCP> > Distribution: net > Organization: University Of New Mexico Computing Center, Albuquerque, NM > Lines: 55 > > > === REFERENCED ARTICLE =================================== > > > Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site rayssd.UUCP > > > Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site unmc.UUCP > > > Path: rayssd!raybed2!linus!philabs!cmcl2!lanl!unm-la!unmvax!unmc!ma3752af > > > From: ma3752af@unmc.UUCP > > > Newsgroups: net.comics > > > Subject: Crisis > > > Message-ID: <514@unmc.UUCP> > > > Date: Sun, 10-Nov-85 19:52:07 EST > > > Article-I.D.: unmc.514 > > > Posted: Sun Nov 10 19:52:07 1985 > > > Date-Received: Sun, 17-Nov-85 20:52:08 EST > > > Distribution: net > > > Organization: University Of New Mexico Computing Center, Albuquerque, NM > > > Lines: 14 > > > > > > Is there anyone else out there who hates Marvel as much as I do? > > > I dare them to make their presence known to mankind. > > > > Say Buddy, I like how you're so tough that you can make a > > challenge like the one above, but don't have the guts to put > > your real name down yourself!!!! > > > > Gregory L. Wing > > > > P.S. I obviously don't hate Marvel as much as you do, but what > > they've done with their comics the last few years has > > not made me happy. (Secret Wars I & II really suck!!!) > > > Obviously, since the name was on the article under the From > heading, I thought it silly to restate what was already > apparent. > > At least you admit that Secret Wars was a crock. I concur. > But after reading a multitude of other Marvel titles, I > found that Daredevil was the only one to keep my attention. > Well, so does X-Factor, but only because of its stupidity. > > The psuedo-intellectual garbage Marvel (and sometimes D.C.) > push upon its readers is incredible. The issues are silly - > I don't care about mutants, and neither do most 9 year-old > kids. If I want philosophy I'll read a novel, when I want > to be entertained I'll read Ambush Bug. But if I am > forced to chose between two types of psuedo intellectual > garbage, then I'll chose D.C. > > Sorry for the flames, but someone had to say these things. > > Vincent J. Murphy > writer, and > Bret K.Thaeler > transcriber > > *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** ========================================================== *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Gregory L. Wing {allegra,linus,raybed2,ccice5,brunix}!rayssd!rayssde!glw | | Raytheon SSD / Box 330 / Portsmouth, RI 02871-9988 / 401-847-8000 x 4107 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
glw@rayssd.UUCP (Gregory L. Wing) (11/27/85)
From postnews Tue Nov 26 18:03:54 1985 > Path: rayssd!raybed2!linus!philabs!cmcl2!lanl!unm-la!unmvax!unmc!ma3752af > From: ma3752af@unmc.UUCP > > Obviously, since the name was on the article under the From > heading, I thought it silly to restate what was already > apparent. I hope this doesn't sound like I'm ragging on you (I don't mean to, this time), but I couldn't find your name anywhere in the heading or in the article (not that it really matters). It just that I think if someone is going to critcize something I think that they should back it up. (And by using just your "handle" and no other ID, it appeared that you weren't. Well, enough of this. This is net.comics, not net.dump_on_each_other. As for this buisness about Jean Grey, I really think the people on this network are making too big of a deal about it. Let's face it, if it was someone like Nova coming back, no one would care (except that they killed him off for a reason, he sucked). But the people who are really complaining are the ones that say they loved her and her character. If that's true, then they should be happy that she's back. Personally, I'd give anything if something could bring back my mother in better health than she was before she got sick and died. And I'm sure some of you feel the same way about some loved one too. Besides, like some previous articles said, who knows if this is the real Jean. Don't forget the legend of the Phoenix! And who knows, she may die again (by popular demand). Finally, I have a suggestion for all of you out there who want to tell the companies how you feel about their poor quality comics, but still want a chance to read them. Find a friend or someone you know that has bought the comic that you think is bad (ie: X-Factor) and read it to confirm your opinion. If you are truly disgusted with it, then you haven't given the company a cent. But to make up for the money you feel your friend has wasted, write some hate mail to them expressing your feelings. You really don't have to have a friend buy it (just read it at your local store), or even read it at all. Just let Marvel or DC or whoever, know that you don't like what they're doing!!!!! I think wasting 22 cents on a stamp is a hell of a lot better than 75*n cents on poor comics. Gregory L. Wing P.S. If a useless article got posted by me (about 2 articles ago), sorry about that. I kind of screwed up. I'm new to this net -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Gregory L. Wing {allegra,linus,raybed2,ccice5,brunix}!rayssd!rayssde!glw | | Raytheon SSD / Box 330 / Portsmouth, RI 02871-9988 / 401-847-8000 x 4107 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
cdrigney@uokvax.UUCP (12/01/85)
/* Written 5:11 pm Nov 26, 1985 by glw@rayssd.UUCP in uokvax.UUCP:net.comics */ > is the real Jean. Don't forget the legend of the Phoenix! And > who knows, she may die again (by popular demand). I was very amused to note on the most recent issue of Dazzler, BECAUSE YOU DEMANDED IT! Dazzler's Last Issue! It took five years for them to realize their mistake, but they at last did. Now we can only hope she'll marry the Beyonder, and they'll both die and put themselves out of our misery. Despite my addiction to mutants, I'm not buying any more issues of X-Factor. From the brief glance I saw of #2 in the comic store, those of us not getting it don't seem to be missing anything. --Carl Rigney USENET: {ihnp4,allegra!cbosgd}!okstate!uokvax!cdrigney "If there are any Dazzler fans on the net, this oughta smoke 'em out!"
mcewan@uiucdcs.CS.UIUC.EDU (12/04/85)
>> Obviously, since the name was on the article under the From >> heading, I thought it silly to restate what was already >> apparent. > > I hope this doesn't sound like I'm ragging on you (I don't > mean to, this time), but I couldn't find your name anywhere > in the heading or in the article (not that it really matters). Also, please be aware that notesfiles users can NOT see the "From" line, unless <begin mini-flame> some turkey with a religious objection to using an editor posts all 17 zillion garbage lines that their news interface shows them in a response <endflame>. Scott McEwan {ihnp4,pur-ee}!uiucdcs!mcewan "A flash in front of my eyes ... I blink ... open my eyes to ... discover I am a dog in a pickup truck full of garbage ... no one but me sees the lid blow off the can ... it's 14 miles to the dump ... this is ... at last ... heaven."
ralphw@ius2.cs.cmu.edu (Ralph Hyre) (12/10/85)
In article <36000078@uiucdcs> mcewan@uiucdcs.CS.UIUC.EDU writes: > >>> Obviously, since the name was on the article under the From >>> heading... ... >> ... I couldn't find your name anywhere >> in the heading or in the article... > >Also, please be aware that notesfiles users can NOT see the "From" line, >unless <begin mini-flame> some turkey with a religious objection to using >an editor posts all 17 zillion garbage lines that their news interface >shows them in a response <endflame>. Don't blame posters if your software can't deal with the accepted formats for messages. (I'm tired of seeing Orphaned Response as a subject!) Seems like the 'turkey' here is either the author of notesfiles (for not updating the software) or those who keep using it when better and more robust tools are available. Note that I use an editor, but I don't make any special effort to delete 'garbage' lines, as they are inserted by the posting software after I compose my message. Notesfiles sites might end up having to build their own network if the keep using software that is inconsistent with the current versions and protocols. - Ralph Hyre